Episode Discussion 2x04: The Crocodile

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Episode Discussion 2x04: The Crocodile

Belle's disgust over Mr. Gold's continuing thirst for power comes to a head, and she threatens to leave him if he can't change his evil ways; the dwarves pick up their axes and try to find fairy dust in the Storybrooke mine; and a reunion with an old acquaintance could prove to be Belle's undoing. Meanwhile, back in the fairytale land that was, Rumplestiltskin attempts to save his wife, Milah, from being kidnapped by a band of cutthroat pirates.

P.S. Phew! Barely made it. Sorry for the delay. Wal-Mart had no less than 15 people in all 5/600 of its lines.

P.P.S. You all know it's really paining me to not use the picture I want up here. *meeps!!!*

Comments

[bloodysuicide69.livejournal.com]

PS: I hate Rumple's wife. No one leaves their child for another man unless they are heartless. Sure she might have had true love, but even that shouldn't have stopped her from at least taking Baelfire with her. Most women who want to be out of a relationship at least take their children with them, and those that don't.... well I consider them to be damaged somehow. Perhaps she was damaged.

I loved how they said that Hook was able to travel between realms with his ship... and that he got to go to Neverland with the bean. Doesn't that mean that it probably wasn't the bean Rumple was looking for anyway?

Or does the bean go wherever you want to? And Hook wanted it to go somewhere where he would be immortal?

I really hope they bring Peter Pan into this... at least eventually.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

But that would be taking him away from his father. Why is him being with his mother any better than being with his father?

Not that I think that abandoning children is okay, but I don't think taking him away from his father is the right decision either.

[sukybarbossa.livejournal.com]

Ah, now Rumple's wife I think is yet another unapologetically evil character, as paulownia should be pleased about! (I personally know women who have done the same thing. Actually, <lj user="philstar22", I agree with you. Bae was better off with his father.)

[bloodysuicide69.livejournal.com]

Nope, that's not how I meant it at all. Mothers have an inseparable bond with their children. And someone who can just sever that connection has some sort of damage involved within them.

Taking a child away from a father is not what I meant at all. In this specific case I suppose it was what she would have done, but it isn't what I meant. She left her son, and that's not normal mother behavior. Totally irrelevant of the father. If she cared about her son she would have taken the father into account maybe they could have all traveled together if she really cared about anyone but herself.

Without getting into a parenting debate.... what I was simply saying was that I have no remorse for her. I didn't like her character at all. I actually was hoping Rumple would kill her off so I wouldn't have to see her face again.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

Since I don't think there is anything different between the bond of a mother and of a father, I'm not going to agree with your interpretation. And I don't think it is necessarily "inseparable". Different mothers are different, and that doesn't necessarily make them bad. I don't find her sympathetic because of the dishonesty and her walking away without a second thought. I think that if she had talked to her son and Rumple and prepared them and had given a moment's consideration to her son, I'd be far more sympathetic to her.

Okay, I really need to get some Once icons. Just got into the fandom.

[rodlox.livejournal.com]

Emma

>Without getting into a parenting debate....
I should have read that part first; sorry.

[tony-roxy.livejournal.com]

I asked the same question about the bean. My husband says it's like you were saying. The bean goes wherever the person who has it wants. Barlfire desired a place free of magic, so he was taken to (we presume) our world. Hook desired a place where he would not age (or like you said, be immortal) so he was taken to neverland. Still, I wonder how he knew of the place/ had been there before if magic beans were supposedly so rare.

[rodlox.livejournal.com]

>Still, I wonder how he knew of the place/ had been there before if magic beans were supposedly so rare.
maybe that's the story that goes with them...or that's what Smee told them when he was a captive.

[sukybarbossa.livejournal.com]

I see the magic beans as equivalent to the Mad Hatter's hat or whatever wardrobe Cora said she came through--a portal to another fairytale realm. (BTW, I predict we'll be seeing Jack and his beanstalk in a future episode.) I got the impression from the Blue Fairy last season that once upon a time there were a lot of them and that, one by one, they've been used up--or too scattered around Fairy Tale Land to be found.

[rodlox.livejournal.com]

was there a way to take Bae with her, without Rumplestiltskin catching wind of it?

...though to be honest, I'm not sure which would be a worse childhood: being raised by a vengeful god, or being raised on a pirate ship.

Up until that near-final scene, I thought Smee was Pan.