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[madwitch58.livejournal.com]

this has been playing around my head for a few days. i know no one can leave storybrook, but is that leave as in move to anther place or leave as in go to go on vacation. i know Henry left but he had to return. could someone else leave as long as they returned? if so that would enplane how Mr. Gold was able to get Henry.

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[dj-rocca.livejournal.com]

Henry could leave because he isn't cursed. NO ONE leaves they have been living in a haze for 28 years, they probably haven't thought of a vacation

[babettew54.livejournal.com]

Humm, I'd go crazy ... 28 years and no vacation1!??

But seriously, time has stood still for these people. Remember the clock!? Maybe they don't realize how much time has passed.

[storywriter84.livejournal.com]

None of the characters of the book can leave the town of Storybrook. When Cinderella tried to leave she wrecked the car. Characters from the book cannot leave, but obviously Emma and Henry can (as they already have).

[athousandsmiles]

I believe Mr. Gold can leave because he has position of power within the curse, per the arrangement he made with the Evil Queen. Some even suggest he has more power than the Queen/Regina.

[sparkythegeek.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's a curious power dynamic there, isn't it? She wields the reins in Storybrooke, but it seems that Mr. Gold has a hold over even her that carries over from Fairy Tale Land...

[chloris.livejournal.com]

Actually we don't know if Mr. Gold left town. All we know at this point is that he got Henry for Regina but that could mean he worked through contacts and one of those contacts brought Henry into town. (Obviously people from outside can enter or they would have run out of food and supplies long ago.)

Also, I don't think that Henry had to return because of the curse but rather because he's 10 and can't exactly support himself.

[miss-peg.livejournal.com]

I love the questions this show poses.

I know Henry said he had to come back which is why he was able to leave, but he was born on 'the other side' so it makes sense he can leave.

I was going with the theory that Gold used contacts outside to bring Henry is.

The question I have now is...does Regina know who she is in order to have got Henry? It can't be a coincidence that he, the grandson of Snow and James ended up there, of course.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

Are you asking if Regina knows 'the truth' about things or whether she specifically chose Emma's son?

As to the first, I'm quite confident that she knows all about who everyone is and what she has done to them. However, based on her conversation with Mr. Gold in the second episode (I think), she had no idea that Henry was anything other than a boy for her to love and adopt. Henry specifically ending up in town was all Mr. Gold's doing as far as we know right now. Though there could certainly be other forces at work which have yet to be revealed.

[miss-peg.livejournal.com]

Both haha. Basically, the fact Henry is there has to be on purpose! Whether Gold did it, or Regina (perhaps I need to rewatch episodes?!) or another force. Another force would be interesting as it'd bring another angle to the show!

[chloris.livejournal.com]

I just tried to look up the conversation at the end The Thing You Love Most but my computer is locking up when I try to look at vids. I do recall her asking who Emma is (and whether her arrival was a plan of his) and Mr. Gold telling Regina that Emma is who Regina thinks she is but refusing to elaborate. Then he used his 'please' and left. That says to me that Regina had nothing to do with it but that Gold most likely did. He's probably bored to tears after 28 years and wants to get a move on. :D

[kaellite.livejournal.com]

Re: what regina knows, read the article from EW the week the twilight stars were on the cover and the producers say (they give an answer one way or the other)

I would say, but I'm not sure about the rule for spoilers.

[dontbitethesun.livejournal.com]

I don't think Regina knows who Emma is beside a thorn in her side, especially because Henry tore out the last few pages in the book to keep her identity a secret. I definitely think that Gold picked Henry on purpose though and that he knows exactly who Emma is.

[sparkythegeek.livejournal.com]

...so its just a matter of WHY Gold would want to bring Emma into town.

[dontbitethesun.livejournal.com]

I think he wants to stir up trouble. Or he thinks it'll give him some kind of edge over Regina.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

Exactly! From what we know of him he is always looking for an angle so I'm sure he has had a plan since he heard the name Emma. Also, if he is aware of the passage of time, he must be quite bored.

[dk323.livejournal.com]

I recall Henry saying that he had to return to Storybrooke even if he was able to leave to find Emma. I think it was to do with the fact Henry was a child, so he had no choice but to return at some point to Storybrooke since Regina is his adoptive mother/legal guardian. He's too young to live independently, so the curse must work on him that way due to him being a minor. But it also could make sense that the curse doesn't affect Henry at all.

I agree with the others who say Mr. Gold has more power than Regina and that's why the curse doesn't affect him (and why he had been able to leave to get Henry for Regina to adopt). Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold definitely got really lucky with the deal he struck with the Evil Queen/Regina.

Henry can leave, Emma can't

[kaellite.livejournal.com]

because she's 'in the book'. Remember the Pilot, when she tried to leave she saw the wolf and crashed. Henry wasn't with her.

So Henry is wrong about telling Emma, she could leave. Once she entered Storeybrook, because she's in teh book, she can't leave. IMO

Henry may believe he 'had' to return, but my interp of that was it was because he's 10 and the law wouldn't let him leave (as well as how would he eat, have a place to stay etc)

I'm wondering how long it takes Emm to realize she can't leave now.

[miss-peg.livejournal.com]

Ooh, that's a brilliant point! It's a case of the fact Emma wasn't part of the world before which made her believe she could go...I hadn't thought of it like that but it makes perfect sense.

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[dontbitethesun.livejournal.com]

That's an interesting theory. The wolf keeping her there could still have been a one-time thing, but it'd be cool if your idea proves to be true. :)

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[dk323.livejournal.com]

You have a good point about Emma. Once she entered Storybrooke, she appeared to have become a part of the curse as she's in the book after all. If she had been able to leave freely, the wolf wouldn't have been there to prevent her from leaving -- but the wolf was there and Emma crashing her car delayed her from leaving and the rest is history...

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[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

She did leave though, she went back for her things in Boston.

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[kaellite.livejournal.com]

Did she? I thought she said she had them sent to her.

I could be wrong though, I often am.

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[dontbitethesun.livejournal.com]

They were definitely shipped because she said she was glad they finally got there. I don't know if that means she went back to pack them or not though, but I'm guessing not.

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[d-garmo71.livejournal.com]

I've been saying this all along but everybody always acts like I'm nuts. lol Glad to see someone else who thinks Emma can't leave anymore and that Henry can. He wasn't in the book afterall.

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[musing-mia.livejournal.com]

Good point. Didn't realize that's why she crashed. Yeah. She's stuck like the rest of them.

I remember Granny saying she had a heart attack when Ruby tried to leave, thus preventing her from sleeping her way down the East coast.

[dontbitethesun.livejournal.com]

I agree with the people who have said that there's no evidence to say that Mr. Gold actually left Storybrook. It's more likely he arranged for someone on the outside to bring Henry in. It's my understanding that none of the fairytale characters can leave, but of course the show hasn't really broken it down exactly yet so anything is possible and we might find out later that this assumption is wrong.

[nikki4noo.livejournal.com]

Pretty much agreeing with what you have said here.

Henry can leave, he just thinks he has to come back too. Bad things didn't happen to him in order to make him stay in Storybrook, like it has for others.

It appears so far that Emma can't leave. There is no proof that Mr. Gold can leave, even if he has more powers. I think that he and Regina are a little unaware of their history. The look in the episode when he says "please" and Regina agrees where she had previously defied him said to me that they didn't know about their past. I suspect they are starting to believe that Henry's theories are valid, while publicly saying the opposite.

I am waiting to see Ruby's story, which I think will give us more information. We know she wants to leave, but has their been physical things stopping her as well as her love for her grandmother?

[dontbitethesun.livejournal.com]

The writers (and IMO, the show itself) have indicated that Regina definitely knows what's going on curse-wise, but you're right about the please scene - it seemed that she didn't remember the deal she'd made with Rumple in the fairytale world, so I'm wondering if maybe her memories aren't complete.

There's a bunch of storylines I'm looking forward to, Ruby's included. I've been reading lots of spoilers and it all looks so interesting. There's one character the writers have hinted at that really makes me question who can come and who can go, but I don't want to spoil anyone who doesn't what to know.

[nikki4noo.livejournal.com]

Thanks for that.

My personal head canon atm is that she is slightly aware, but with a lot of gaps. Personally I can see her thinking that she isn't the Evil Queen, but someone else.

I'm waiting for the characters to start to twig about their names having meanings. I really need to know the Sheriff's first name, as Graham only means "grey homestead" which doesn't give much of a clue about his other identity. I can see that him being the Hunstman makes sense. I have heard some people think that Billy the mechanic is the Big Bad Wolf, but what if he is the Billy Goat Gruff?

[dontbitethesun.livejournal.com]

Ohh... I like the idea that Regina thinks she was someone else from fairytale land. I wonder who it would be.

Huh, I hadn't given any thought to how their modern names fit their characters. I can't wait to find out who the Sheriff is. I have my suspicions and I want to see if I'm close or not. I think it would be more interesting if they try to trick us with a few characters, like Billy being Billy Goat Gruff, instead of making everything really obvious.

[nikki4noo.livejournal.com]

All the names do have meanings :D I know dizilla and I have started to work on a list. I should tell her to get it sorted and post it up, so we can keep track of the names etc.

But this is what we know so far:
Mary Margaret Blanchard - Blanchard means "white". The Mary Margaret is a homage to the two different 'princesses' that are thought to have inspired the snow white tale.
David Nolan - David means "beloved" Nolan means "Champion"
Regina Mills - "Queen" "of the Mill"
Emma - the deserving,the worthy, the diligent, whole, universal
Henry - estate ruler, ruler of an enclosure, home ruler
Archie Hopper - "genuine, bold" Hooper is an obvious reference to cricket
Sheriff Graham - "gravelly homestead, abode" (I think he is the Hunstman)
Mr. Gold - references Rumple's love of gold
Ruby - "red gemstone, jewel, a ruby jewel"
Leroy - "the king, proud, selfish" - which is interesting about Grumpy!
Kathryn Nolan - "pure" which is interesting considering the self-absorbed character she was in fairy tale land!

I love that the writers have done this background search about the characters and their names. There are too many of them to fit so 'well' for it to be a fluke, it is obviously deliberate. :) I know some people think that Billy might be the Big Bad Wolf, but now I think about it, him being Billy Goat Gruff could be fun too!

[dontbitethesun.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, you two should post it up!

And now that I look at your lovely list, I agree, it does look very planned out and not at all a fluke. And here I had thought they were all random!

[middlegirl.livejournal.com]

One more for your list:

Ashley - "from the ash tree field" but "ash" is also a synonym for "cinder" (as in Cinderella).

That's one name that took me a while to realize why the writers picked it, but once I figured it out it floored me. These writers are being so fantastically clever with these names.

[nikki4noo.livejournal.com]

They are! Thanks for that. I'm going to bother Diz later to actually post up a full list of characters etc in another post for people to see and add to as we get more reveals. :D

[babettew54.livejournal.com]

This so cool. Thanks for this! :D

[nikki4noo.livejournal.com]

You are welcome, but I have to say that most of this was prompted by the wonderful brain of dizilla

[litlover12.livejournal.com]

I got the "Blanchard" part, but I didn't know where "Mary Margaret" came from. That's some good researching right there! :-)

And don't forget Ashley -- ashes = cinders.

[geekluvsg.livejournal.com]

So I have a question that is a bit off topic. okay its really off topic sorry. If Cinderella was pregnant in the fairytale world, then the curse happened, and she gave birth to a little girl in reality does that mean she was pregnant for 28 years?

[babbss.livejournal.com]

Lol that's what my friend and I were talking about and the only answer we could come up with was yes, pretty much, since time stood still in Storybrooke for that long.

Being pregnant for 28 years must suck but I don't think Cinderella even noticed, haha.

[jenny-pop.livejournal.com]

She must've been. Then she finally gave birth because Emma arrived in Storybrooke, making the clock tick (time started moving).

[nikki4noo.livejournal.com]

It's a powerful curse! Also I wonder what is going on in people's heads that Henry was able to age, while everyone else stayed the same? What of the other children in his class?

If all were born in Storybrooke after their parents arrived, you presume the curse did not affect them, so they could work their way through school. But what if a character was a child in the Enchanted Forest and then arrives in Storybrooke? The curse should have made them be a child for 28 years. Has no one quite figured that out in the town, that some kids have worked their way through school while others are doomed to only do the same year over and over again.

[in48frames.livejournal.com]

Well, if Ashley was pregnant for 28 years, then none of the children were born in Storybrooke. Which would mean Henry was the ONLY person to age. This has confounded me from the beginning!