Tallahassee Discussion Questions

[chloris.livejournal.com]

I've posted my review of the episode at my journal: Tallahassee Review.

And now I have my questions and discussion points for the episode!

1. Let's start with the BIGGEST question of the episode: Who is Neal? A regular, ordinary guy? Baelfire? Another FTL/Magical person, such as the White Rabbit? I personally think the chances of Neal being a regular Earth-based person are vanishingly small. This is a show about fairytales and true love and destiny. And, even if those things didn't exist in our world before, someone wrote an exceedingly powerful curse that punched a hole into our world which not only brought FTL with it but could arrange for someone outside the curse (Emma) to show up on her 28th birthday.

2. Relatedly, what was in that box? Was it something that August came up with himself or he is working with someone else? A picture of the dagger is a popular theory but that only works if Neal is Baelfire and someone else knows that. August seemed to have expected whatever was in the box to be able to convince someone who knows nothing of magic.

3. Was August working with someone else? I say most likely for two reasons: August has information (the dagger) and resources (magical whatsit in a box) that he shouldn't as a child refugee from FTL, and...well, let's be honest - August is not the most focused person in the world. Perhaps guilt alone could get him going but I would not be surprised to find out someone else is pushing him along and using him as their agent in the world. (Assuming they are someone in Storybrooke they would need an outside agent.)

4. How forgiving do you think Emma is going to be about August's interference in her life? On one hand, he did set her up to not be able to trust anyone for a long time, but on the other, he did pay for it by turning to wood. And she managed to not punch Gold after he took the potion.

5. Do you think that Jennifer Morrison pulled off being anywhere near a teenager? In my opinion, not so much, but that's good because Michael Raymond-James didn't look particularly young either.

6. Now that we've seen more of Hook interacting with Emma (along with a little more of him with the others), what do you think? So far they seem to be going for charming, self-centered rogue as opposed to evil, bad guy. After all, how angry are we supposed to be that he wants revenge on Rumpelstiltskin? So long as he stays focused and doesn't kill Belle he is pretty well justified.

7. And will he have a grudge against Emma for leaving him behind? I suppose it depends on whether he realizes that she left him in safety and only delayed him a bit. It was certainly the smart thing for her to do since he made it clear that his allegiance was changeable.

8. No Rumpelstiltskin. No Regina. Barely any Storybrooke at all. Did it work for you? Considering that an Emma episode would have to take place in the real world and in present day FTL, were you happy they didn't try to shove a Storybrooke plot into the episode?

9. The dream that Aurora and Henry both had obviously signals a connection and each saw the other through the fire. Could this be used to create a communication link between the worlds? Might it also have some larger meaning, perhaps connecting things to another level of reality/another world?

10. We didn't learn too much about the giants in this episode but got a lot of hints of their history. Considering that the beans were lost before Rumpelstiltskin became the Dark One, if they did an episode about the war, it could turn out to be a Blue Fairy backstory episode. Hmmm. I'd also like to find out more about Jack!

11. To end, how much did you like fierce mama bear Snow White? I loved it. And I loved that Emma is finally willing to initiate a hug with her mother.

Comments

[pwalkeri.livejournal.com]

I literally never considered the possibility that Neal is Baelfire.

Now I can't even concentrate on the rest of your post. Mind. Blown.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

You hadn't? Really? It's the most popular theory by far! :D

I love the idea for the messy interconnectedness of it.

[pwalkeri.livejournal.com]

Haha I haven't really been able to be too involved in the fandom right now and clearly I am incapable of coming up with these things on my own xD But now I need it to be canon. Also, okay so I have other thoughts. Although, wouldn't Baelfire believe in magic? I dunno, I can see how it's not a fool-proof theory, but I want it to be true regardless.

5. I spent the whole flashback episode confused because I assumed that Neal would be Henry's father, except I had a hard time believing that Emma and Neal were anywhere near 18. So I figured Neal was after Henry. Then, of course, when she was in jail with the pregnancy test I knew but still. It didn't feel convincing to me at all :-/

6/7. I hope that the rest of the season isn't Hook v. Emma because I really love their dynamic. And I mean, honestly, he shouldn't be too surprised. I dunno. I didn't realize that Hook had officially become a season regular, but that'll be fun! I like his character.

8. I was glad we had a whole episode of FTL/flashback. I feel like the writers do well with balancing between all the different storylines without making it feel like an afterthought. They commit to what they want to show us and put the rest on hold so that each part can be fleshed out.

9. I am fascinated by the dream, but have no theories on what it means. xD haha

11. I felt like it was a little awkward acting-wise, tbqh. Of course, maybe I just feel like the whole dynamic is awkward (which, duh, it is) and that actually means it's working really well. But I always feel really uncomfortable when Snow acts like Emma's mother, haha. :-p

[chloris.livejournal.com]

However, Neal never said whether or not he believed in magic. Instead he turned the question around to August and said something about August believing. Also, he was very easy to convince about Emma's destiny. Too easy I think for someone who knows nothing of magic and doesn't believe.

5. I think that's why they put the '11 years ago' tag at the beginning of the episode. I decided the only thing to do was squint and decide to go with it. (At least they looked similar in age to each other because a 17-looking Emma with a rather rough looking Neal would have not been good.)

6/7. I hope not too. He was completely up front about not being trustworthy so he can't be too surprised when they took him at his word. (And for all we know Hook and the Giant are having an enjoyable conversation right now.)

8. I was happy with it too. They do have trouble getting three plots/storylines in one episode so it was good we didn't have to stop to spend time on an unrelated third story.

11. It works for me - I think because Snow gives off such a fierce, protective mother vibe in general so it seems right that she is that way with Emma too.

[tamlover.livejournal.com]

Regarding your 6/7 - I was actually a little concerned that Hook (or Cora, if she showed up) would kill the giant so Hook could leave earlier. That would be sad. And then I'd feel bad because it would sorta-kinda be Emma's fault. Well, not her fault, really, but she'd probably feel responsible.

[tamlover.livejournal.com]

I hate it because it's too contrived for my case. And I don't *want* Henry to related to Rumpel. He's already related to all the other major players. Also because it's been predicted at least since "The Return" and probably earlier - since Bae was introduced. And lastly because it'll be used to woobify Rumpel and I don't like villain woobification.

[meepalicious.livejournal.com]

This, pretty much.

It hadn't even occurred to me, but now I'm totally blown away and I think I'll have to go watch the episode again!

[tamlover.livejournal.com]

1. I have no idea, but *want* him to be normal person so much. And I want him to be anyone-but-Bae even more. That said, if he is a fairy tale character, August definitely did not seem to know it. I was so happy after this ep aired because Neal was a regular guy and not a fairy tale character. Now that I've seen everyone else thinks he is a fairy tale character, I'm disappointed. Unfortunately, I think he probably will turn out to be one, since other people predict things correctly more often than I do. :(

2. Not a dagger picture. There is no reason for a single sheet of paper to be in a box that size. It would be bad storytelling, IMO, to have such a nonsensical container for such an item. Likewise, August calls Neal "some deadbeat" and says he got "caught in the crossfire" and says what is in the box will make Neal believe in magic (thus does not think he believes already) and acts in every way as though he thinks Neal is just a garden-variety mook. If August knew he was Bae, he wouldn't react like that, I don't think. I think it has to be something magical, but then we still have the issue of where it came from and how August got it in this world without magic.

3. I think it likely August is working with someone else. I think the dagger info could easily have come from Henry's storybook, so it's a non-issue to me. But I think there is someone else for three reasons: firstly, August had to get the "very convincing item" from somewhere because he didn't seem to have anything like that when he came through, secondly because his logic doesn't make much sense (why can't he just show Emma the item and Emma break the curse with Neal by her side) so it seems likely someone told him that wouldn't fly, thirdly (and this is weakest) because he started looking for Emma when she was 15, not a more logical/landmark age like 18, 20, 25, or 27 (one year of prep work).

4. Excellent question - I don't know how Emma will respond to what August did. She has so much going on, and so little closeness with August, that I could easily see her just snapping at him once and saving most of her ire for Neal.

5. No way - neither of them could even pass for early twenties.

6. While I don't support revenge, I don't actually have an issue with a non-good-guy character pursuing it. So I'm fine with that aspect of Hook. The problem is his working with Cora. He seemingly had no issue with her ripping out hearts and just hid under the bodies for the next part of the plan. That I have a very huge problem with. That makes him a bad guy to me.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

1. And I desperately don't want him to be normal! *g* If he is going to be in the show (and not just an off screen character) I think it's a waste to not connect him to the rest of the show. If he is not connected into the show then he is just a dangling plot thread in the corner. And, yes, writers can integrate him but that after the fact. I want him important to the other characters right from the beginning. In a show about fairytales and destiny I want illogical coincidences.

2. I don't think it's a dagger picture either if only because I agree that August has no clue that Neal is anything other than an average person. But even if he has something magical - something he thinks is convincing - I'm not buying that it would convince an actual average person to completely abandon the person they love to their destiny. Especially one shown to live the sort of life Neal does.

3. I would be absolutely shocked if the dagger is in the book to the point that I'm about as positive as I can be that the dagger info came from another source. And I think that source is the same one August is working for here. August's entire argument about how Neal much leave her so she can fulfill that destiny makes me think of the Blue Fairy - it's almost exactly what she said to Dreamy about Nova.

5. At least they looked close enough in age to each other that it wasn't weird!

6. Also, he is a pirate so I doubt he is exactly innocent in the crime of killing people for the hell of it. But if they never show those crimes on screen and only have him going after Rumpel, he certainly isn't going to come across as anyone particularly bad.

[tamlover.livejournal.com]

7. I don't know if he'll have a grudge. He *shouldn't* because he flat-out told her he had no loyalty and would work with whoever could get him to Earth most quickly. And they weren't in each other's company long enough to build a relationship, and she never pretended to be his friend, and so on. But people are irrational. Rumpel would have no qualm with locking up someone 28 years, but do it to one of his, and he sics a wraith on you. Double-standard city. And Hook may well be the same. I'd find it more enjoyable if he took it in a more cavalier manner. You know, the risks you run. Perhaps even acknowledging his own lack of trustworthiness.

8. I was fine with the narrower focus. I'm not into bad guys - Rumpel or Regina-centric episodes are ones I usually only watch once. I want to know what happens for plot-reasons, I'm interested in the new information, but I don't really care about bad guys. I like the good guys in Storybrooke, but I think the season itself is spread too thin with three settings year. Knocking it down to (basically) two improves it, IMO, it allows for more in-depth focus on the characters.

9. I actually didn't associate the dream with communication until I read others mention. It's a good idea, mind you. I just didn't think of it as real-time. I was thinking Aurora and Henry were both remembering where their minds were when they both under the sleeping curse at the same time. But it being indicative of the present (or future) rather than the past does open up more plot possibilities.

10. I'd like to know more about Jack. I'm curious as to the truth of the giant wars, too. I wouldn't have thought of using the Blue Fairy in this case, but it's logical since it seems like the giants were gone by time Rumpel and Hook were adults and she's the only one we know was around back before that. I still want more on her earliest days, though. I'm eager to know what "the original power" means.

11. Actually, though I love her attitude, I thought Mulan should have kicked her butt. Mulan is supposed to be a most excellent fighter. I excuse it, though, by saying Mulan wasn't actually trying to fight Snow.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

7. I hope he is more impressed with her intelligence in not trusting him too much than annoyed or angry that she delayed him a bit. He's smart enough to figure out quickly that he isn't in any actual danger from the giant.

8. I mentioned Rumpel and Regina but I wasn't saying the episode should have focused on them - however, half the cast WAS missing in the episode since we basically had no Storybrooke component and the flashbacks necessarily focused on Emma only. I do agree that keeping each episode to two settings (with maybe a little bit of the third) works much better. Last week the FTL present scenes took away from the focus of the rest of the episode.

10. Seeing more of Blue's early days would be great but even more of her motivations in the past few centuries would be interesting. Right now she is the biggest mystery on the show. She is almost completely surface with only a few hints of what is beneath. (Which makes it easy to have conspiracy theories about her!)

[tcoll813.livejournal.com]

1. I'm actually hoping that he's a regular human from our world.

2. You and I would both love to know that's for sure!

3. I think August was working by himself.

4. I'm sure she'll be really upset with August once she finds out what happened. He did screw up her entire life with Henry and Neal.

5. Eh...not at all. They didn't even try making her look more teenagerish.

6. I thought the interaction was interesting. To be honest I felt a ship start, but then they introduced Neal, so I highly doubt anything will ever come of those two. But I'm definitely willing to see those two interact again.

7. We shall see, hopefully he realizes that she didn't screw him over.

8. I'm happy, either way it looks like the next episode is Storybrook centered.

9. I'm not sure, but am interested to find out!

10. Same here!

11. I loved that too.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

1. You are not alone in your hope but I'm still rooting for a FTL connection.

3. He could be (there is no in episode indication he is not) but I do think he needs someone pushing him. And I'm not sure where he would have found a convincing magical object on his own.

5. Considering Regina, I'm rather wondering now if that was on purpose since there was no way to significantly de-age the actor who plays Neal. Just imagine Emma looking quite young in love with a guy who looks mid-thirties. :)

8. Yes it does! I think it works to swing back and forth at least for now.

[tcoll813.livejournal.com]

1. I do still wish that Neal and Emma meet again. I also like the idea of him being a regular guy because I like love stories where the people have to overcome all odds to be together. :)

3. Perhaps...:)

5. Lol! It was okay. We'll just say they were really old looking teens. XD Tbh though, we don't know how old he was supposed to be. I would say he was in his 20's already.

8. I'm excited. I'm a Red fangirl!

[rpowell.livejournal.com]

How forgiving do you think Emma is going to be about August's interference in her life?

Why stop at August? Will Emma forgive Neal for leaving her behind to spend time in jail for his crime? It's strange that very few people consider this.

[tamlover.livejournal.com]

I know what you mean. I get the perspective that Neal was just doing what August said, but I don't think Emma will say "okay, it's all on August."

As I said, I expect August to be more of a non-issue to Emma (or at least far less of an issue) than Neal. Neal she loved, the trusted, she shared promises with. So his was a personal betrayal. He knew how much she felt and should have known better, should have known what it would do to her. August is just an acquaintance. She might be angry with him, but their relationship just shouldn't provoke the depth of emotion.

Unless it turns out August really did arrange for Henry to go to mass-murderer Regina (a theory I don't find likely) - then it's about Henry and I can't even begin to figure out how that would play out.

Whether or not she'll face either with the notion that if it hadn't happened, she'd have had Henry with her, I don't know.

I actually don't think money or jail-time is the major issue. Btw, I thought she did not go to jail for Neal's crime (grand larceny) she went to jail for her own crime ("possession of stolen property"), though he did give her the property, so she thought it was a setup. It's just she thinks Neal called the cops on her (I assume he did, but technically August could have made the call). That said, I think the *betrayal*, the violation of trust, the feeling like she'd been used was far more significant than the jail time or money. I don't really think her shut-down, don't-trust, walls-up nature would have developed any differently or less strongly had she slipped the cops and not gone to jail.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

It was receiving stolen goods she went to jail for, though the original crime was his. A bit of trivia: Her crime and sentence length are a call back to the actual Neal Cassady (who served 11 months at eighteen for receiving stolen goods).

[tamlover.livejournal.com]

Yes, the original crime was his - but it's not what she went to jail for. And she didn't unknowingly receive stolen goods - she knew what she had was stolen. She was guilty of the crime she was arrested for, so that was "her" time and not Neal's. Neal should have been doing time, too (more time), but that was her crime. And yes, I'd read that trivia on a message board earlier this week (never even heard of Neal Cassady before this).

[chloris.livejournal.com]

Very true. And I can really see Emma having A LOT of trouble forgiving Neal! However, as a viewer, I'm much more annoyed with August than with Neal the same way I'm much more annoyed with Blue than with Dreamy. In both cases someone convinced them that they must end their relationships for the other person's own good and so that person can achieve their destiny. Both Neal and Dreamy should have pushed back and held true and quite definitely talked to the person they loved but they both did think they were doing the Right Thing.

[tamlover.livejournal.com]

I agree, as a viewer. I place the bulk of the blame on August. Neal absolutely was trying to do right by Emma - totally altruistic motives. But I'm not at all sure Emma will feel that way.

As with her parents, she still has 11 years of believing he betrayed her and that emotion doesn't just go away because the truth turned out different than she thought. Frankly, it's rather a repetition of her parents "abandoning" her and that's why I'd wanted Henry's father to be a not-good person who disappeared for selfish reasons. But they didn't go that route, so there you have it.

I'm far more angry with August than Blue, I admit. Blue's way of thinking at least seems logical (as Dreamy can only be in love because Nova was clumsy) and Blue didn't have Nova put in jail or make her think Dreamy betrayed her. I can find no logical reason (from August's perspective) that Emma couldn't have just been shown the box's contents. Then she'd be convinced, and August could start teaching her, and she and Neal could be together and non-criminals and she could break the curse with Neal's (and August's) support. I really do hope we get some explanation of why August didn't think that would work.

[comicbook-worm.livejournal.com]

1) You know, before the ep, I was into the theory that Neal was Bae. Now, I'm torn between Neal possibly being Bae & wanting Neal to be an ordinary guy.

Either way, I do say there's more to Neal story's then we know & I look forward to seeing his story (& his romance with Emma) explored because it was far more interesting than I thought it would be.

2) Depends what August could get but I don't think a picture of the dagger would work unless Neal was Bae. Something else like pieces of Snow White's coffin, a heart, or even possibly the story book (it had to come from somewhere) might influence Neal too.

3) I say this is likely and I think by the time Emma turned 28 & returned to Storybrooke, that partnership failed because August seems to have lost his "I can prove magic exists" object & he himself states that when Emma chose to stay in Storybrooke, he was off on an island with no worries. I know that August is a liar but he seems pretty honest when he's admitting that.

Although, now I think it's the partner who sent the postcard to Neal & not August.

4) No idea but I bet fireworks are going to happen unless August is doing something particularly heroic for Storybrooke. It'll be a while before he gets back to Emma's good side though which is valid because his idea was kinda idiotic & contributed to his wooden state.

5) I think Jennifer Morrison pulled off being young but no younger than 21. Tops.

Which helped because Michael Raymond-James looked to be in his early 30's here (to me) and it helped make the relationship seem sweet and not (too) screwed up.

6) I agree with you and like you said, unless he pulls some trouble with Belle getting seriously hurt, I have him in chaotic neutral at the moment and for the rest of the series.

7) I agree it's the smart thing for Emma to have done but I also think that it's gonna come back to hurt her later on. Though given the situation, any other choice ends in a kinda bad end.

- Don't trust Hook & wait for him to seek revenge on you.
- Trust Hook & he might leave you for Cora or just abandon you for whoever is a better option for him.

With this choice, you know something bad will happen but at least Emma can be prepared for it until she gets back to Storybrooke.

8) I was happy with the episode and since the next one seems to be rather Storybrooke centric, I think it's a fair trade off. The writers are batting 6 for 6 with me here regarding the episodes' plot & pacing. I am so happy they corrected that issue from season one.

9) I read a theory that the connected dreams might have to do with them both being victims of the sleeping curse (now we just need to review if Snow mentions having the same dream).

But it might also have to do with the Queen of Hearts showing up.

Either way it's foreshadowing that something bad is coming.

10) All of those options would be interesting to see in a backstory episode but you know I just look forward to seeing the giant again most of all. Mainly because I love the actor playing him but also because his backstory is so interesting & tragic.

11) Charming Family Protectiveness Time! I love it and look forward to more of it. Though bits of awkwardness with Emma & Snow/Charming is still expected & natural. Love that they are all getting closer though, nice sign that Emma is trying to let more people in, especially as family.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

1. No matter who he is I'm rather desperate to see him in Storybrooke! He doesn't even know he has a son right now and I can see all kinds of interesting ways his character could work. Though I still want him to be Bae since ratchets up the tension even more.

2. I agree that it's not the dagger, especially since there is nothing in the episode which would indicate August thinks that Neal is Bae.

3. Good point about the postcard. If the scene does happen very shortly after the curse broke (as its placement in the episode indicates) then the partner could have sent the card.

5. Yeah, I'm willing to go with it and tell myself they are 17 and 23 while being rather happy that at least they look close in age to each other.

7. Emma definitely didn't have a good choice either way. He was quite honest about being willing to screw them over. What did he expect! And she was clever in finding a way to delay him without harming him.

10. Since he turned out to be a sympathetic character I do hope they have plans to return to the story at some point. And with the beans as such a major plot point it would make sense from an overall arc perspective too.

11. Emma is so used to fending for herself that I think it's good for her to have a mother willing to launch herself at someone in her defense. It makes Snow love for her impossible to ignore.

[meepalicious.livejournal.com]

9. We know Snow has mentioned having nightmares, anyway. Now that you mention it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same dream.

[meepalicious.livejournal.com]

No Rumpelstiltskin. No Regina. Barely any Storybrooke at all. Did it work for you?
Yes!

I love Rumplestiltskin (and even Regina, sometimes), but I loved spending all of that time in Fairyland. With the "main party" split up, sometimes episodes feel too rushed, jumping from backstory!Fairyland to Storybrooke to current!Fairyland, and I loved being with the ladies for so long. I love the ladies.

PS. Hi, I'm Frances. It's nice to meet you.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

I think the structure of the show itself works against three-part storytelling while two-part stories fit perfectly. (Like the week before when the FTL present scenes diluted the tension created in the other two parts and might have been necessary for the overall plot but didn't fit in the episode.) And I love the women on the show too! They have created so many wonderful female characters.

Hello. *waves* Nice to meet you too. :D

[meepalicious.livejournal.com]

Can I ask a stupid question? I keep seeing "FTL" used as an abbreviation for what I've been calling Fairyland, but I can't figure out what, exactly, it's supposed to stand for.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

Just add a tale to the middle and you have Fairytale Land which is a lot to type each time so I tend to abbreviate. I try not to abbreviate too much since I know it can get confusing! :D

[dragonstarlin.livejournal.com]

I don't think Neal could be Bae b/c I feel there is a significant clear time gap between Bae leaving leading to Rumple's beginning to arrange for Regina to in act the curse and Emmas birth. I think Bae was already gone when Rumple had Jefferson/Victor fake failing to bring Daniel back so he could turn Regina evil, when she was still fairly young/new queen. He did it because he needs her all to set off the curse. That's also the importance of Hook going to Neverland where wouldn't age, more time had passed than we know yet imo (Cora is powerful enough to not age, has to be just from 28 years passing). I figure Neal is either Bae's kid (or grandkid) so played into how he believed August, or old man Bae is who is working with August.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff. - The Tenth Doctor

I get what you're saying but I see that there are a couple of points in favor of Bae being both alive and fairly young, whether or not he is Neal.

- I can't see the writers being willing to give up a Bae&Rumpel confrontation or all the dramatic fallout of having Bae on the show in the present. They have magic on their show and they are going to take advantage of that. (I think this one is a biggie! They are going to do what they want and we'll have to figure out how it can make sense.)

- The whole Jefferson/Whale/Regina thing was only about 15 years ago and we know Rumpel taught Cora and was around when Geppetto was a boy. (Which means he has been the Dark One for a minimum of 50 years.) And the writers have mentioned on number of occasions that Rumpel is centuries old. Sticking to linear time isn't going to work. If we go by that Bae is LONG DEAD.

- Rumpel told Blue he had All The Time In The World to find Bae. Therefore he expected to be able to get to both the time AND the place where Bae went. From both a character and a writing point of view, there is no way Rumpel spent so long finding a way to get to Bae and didn't find a way to get to him while he was alive.

- Rumpel also talks about Bae going through time and space when he talks to August as Bae.

- And Cora didn't age because time stopped in FTL too. She may indeed be powerful enough not to age if she so desired but so far we have no proof since the curse stopped time there as well.

*ahem* This comment brought to you by someone who has spent a great deal of time thinking about and talking with people about this issue. *g* I'm not trying to bombard you. I just have a lot to say about it. THIS POST (http://nothingeverlost.tumblr.com/post/33283830854/why-baelfire-isnt-dead-or-really-really-old) clearly lays out the issues here.

[dragonstarlin.livejournal.com]

That's awesome! I'm glad time has been thought of, usually I haven't seem it some up so (I've seen the Rumple as centuries old bit too which spawned much thought). I thought of time travel in a sense the portal went backwards, but not sure he planned on 28 hiatus, and it brings in other question on FTL and then the wardrobes function too. You're right Cora was likely frozen, it was a throw in thought if it came up generally non aging of magical ppl is one thing. With magic there is always possibilities, just was odd too me so easily assume itwas Bae with out talking about any of your points or recognizing their necessity. Personally I don't want it to be Bae once you open the time bubble....and other considerations, but looking forward to reading your fuller thoughts when not at work :).