Question Post for Lady of the Lake
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abc_onceuponI have a review of the episode at my journal: Lady of the Lake.
And here are my questions/discussion points for episode...
1. Is Lancelot actually dead??? I know Cora said she killed him long ago but, if we know anything about her, we know she lies. I was looking forward to having him as a recurring character in post apocalyptic FTL and now he's gone before we even got to know him. I'm rather done with potentially interesting male characters getting killed off as soon as we meet them.
2. Why did Coralot want Mulan to go along with Snow and Emma? Because she really is their best warrior and she wanted to make sure that Snow found the portal she was looking for? (Before killing her off.) Or did she want Mulan out of the way for some reason? Possibly also because Mulan was their best warrior...
3. Do you think it has sunk in yet for Emma that Snow is REALLY badass and she should listen to her mother's advice? *g* Emma was completely bullheaded in this episode but it seems to me as though she had a real breakthrough at the end and won't be acting out her anger issues so much in the future. Also, I'm sure having her mom kill an ogre right in front of her helped in the 'I'll listen to mom' category.
4. So...Leviathan. The writers are complete trolls and are apparently cackling and rubbing their hands with glee over Whale's identity. Of course, it would probably work better if ABC didn't release half the episode before hand.
5. Oh Lancelot, I guess propping up a greedy and vindictive king is an okay thing to do but to keep someone from having children is the most HORRIBLE thing ever. Hmmm, not buying it. (And I say this as someone who has dealt with infertility.) I think I'll have to go with the idea that no one, except Regina, can look at Snow's sad face and not have a change of heart. Everyone must love her.
6. Though in FTL being able to have children of your own seems to be even a much bigger deal than it is here. It is a big deal here (hence all the fertility clinics) but there not having love or losing love, either romantic or familial, seems to send people right over the edge. Just look at Regina or Snow without her memories of Charming or King George.
7. Can we now take it as canon that King George was basically a good, if flawed, man before James was killed? I'm willing to do so. He has now stated it explicitly that he loved James as his son and that his whole issue with Charming is that he is not James while also reminding George of the fact that James is gone.
8. Were Cora and King George involved in some way? I don't believe they will be revealed to have been married (at least she will not be the beloved wife he talks about) or that Cora is the one who took the original infertility potion but we have a king who loves gold and a miller's daughter here. I do see a possible connection. And Cora is a good possibility for a scorned woman who George cast aside to marry his True Love. She would have no compunctions about cursing someone.
9. Furthermore, about the infertility curse, I thought True Love's Kiss could break any curse? I mean, it can break the Curse to End All Curses and the Dark One curse. These are heavy duty curses which you would think would require something more than a simple kiss. If one can build into a curse immunity against the kiss why not do that more often? The sleeping curse would be a hell of a lot more effective if one couldn't kiss it away.
10. King George looks very angry while watching Charming and Henry sparring. It puts me in mind of Regina when she saw David and Mary Margaret kissing last season. I'm thinking that this is the beginning of a complicated vengeance plot on George's part. The man cannot let it go. Ever. However, Charming needs his own nemesis since Regina is Snow's so I guess it works from a plot standpoint.
11. Ogres: blind, really big, fast, and to kill them you have to shoot them directly in the eye. Yes, these are the sort of creatures that we should send fourteen year old children off to fight. I'm sure they are all expert archers. Considering that Rumpel's lord had the Dark One at his beck and call, what are the odds that the Ogre War was a way to keep the populace in line? Rumpel ended it first thing with a snap of his fingers so Zoso certainly could have as well.
12. And the wardrobe ashes. Obviously these are going to come in VERY handy in helping Cora over to Storybrooke. I wonder what sort of trouble she is going to stir up when she arrives. (Which I think will happen some time before Emma and Snow make it back.)
And here are my questions/discussion points for episode...
1. Is Lancelot actually dead??? I know Cora said she killed him long ago but, if we know anything about her, we know she lies. I was looking forward to having him as a recurring character in post apocalyptic FTL and now he's gone before we even got to know him. I'm rather done with potentially interesting male characters getting killed off as soon as we meet them.
2. Why did Coralot want Mulan to go along with Snow and Emma? Because she really is their best warrior and she wanted to make sure that Snow found the portal she was looking for? (Before killing her off.) Or did she want Mulan out of the way for some reason? Possibly also because Mulan was their best warrior...
3. Do you think it has sunk in yet for Emma that Snow is REALLY badass and she should listen to her mother's advice? *g* Emma was completely bullheaded in this episode but it seems to me as though she had a real breakthrough at the end and won't be acting out her anger issues so much in the future. Also, I'm sure having her mom kill an ogre right in front of her helped in the 'I'll listen to mom' category.
4. So...Leviathan. The writers are complete trolls and are apparently cackling and rubbing their hands with glee over Whale's identity. Of course, it would probably work better if ABC didn't release half the episode before hand.
5. Oh Lancelot, I guess propping up a greedy and vindictive king is an okay thing to do but to keep someone from having children is the most HORRIBLE thing ever. Hmmm, not buying it. (And I say this as someone who has dealt with infertility.) I think I'll have to go with the idea that no one, except Regina, can look at Snow's sad face and not have a change of heart. Everyone must love her.
6. Though in FTL being able to have children of your own seems to be even a much bigger deal than it is here. It is a big deal here (hence all the fertility clinics) but there not having love or losing love, either romantic or familial, seems to send people right over the edge. Just look at Regina or Snow without her memories of Charming or King George.
7. Can we now take it as canon that King George was basically a good, if flawed, man before James was killed? I'm willing to do so. He has now stated it explicitly that he loved James as his son and that his whole issue with Charming is that he is not James while also reminding George of the fact that James is gone.
8. Were Cora and King George involved in some way? I don't believe they will be revealed to have been married (at least she will not be the beloved wife he talks about) or that Cora is the one who took the original infertility potion but we have a king who loves gold and a miller's daughter here. I do see a possible connection. And Cora is a good possibility for a scorned woman who George cast aside to marry his True Love. She would have no compunctions about cursing someone.
9. Furthermore, about the infertility curse, I thought True Love's Kiss could break any curse? I mean, it can break the Curse to End All Curses and the Dark One curse. These are heavy duty curses which you would think would require something more than a simple kiss. If one can build into a curse immunity against the kiss why not do that more often? The sleeping curse would be a hell of a lot more effective if one couldn't kiss it away.
10. King George looks very angry while watching Charming and Henry sparring. It puts me in mind of Regina when she saw David and Mary Margaret kissing last season. I'm thinking that this is the beginning of a complicated vengeance plot on George's part. The man cannot let it go. Ever. However, Charming needs his own nemesis since Regina is Snow's so I guess it works from a plot standpoint.
11. Ogres: blind, really big, fast, and to kill them you have to shoot them directly in the eye. Yes, these are the sort of creatures that we should send fourteen year old children off to fight. I'm sure they are all expert archers. Considering that Rumpel's lord had the Dark One at his beck and call, what are the odds that the Ogre War was a way to keep the populace in line? Rumpel ended it first thing with a snap of his fingers so Zoso certainly could have as well.
12. And the wardrobe ashes. Obviously these are going to come in VERY handy in helping Cora over to Storybrooke. I wonder what sort of trouble she is going to stir up when she arrives. (Which I think will happen some time before Emma and Snow make it back.)
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good points
Date: 2012-10-19 12:11 am (UTC)O.o
What do you think he did for King Arthur? ;)
(he fought Arthur's enemies, whether Lancelot knew them or not)
>It's only when George keeps her from having kids that he decides things have gone TOO FAR for him
I'm confused - are you upset that Lancelot has a moral line in the sand, or are you upset that Lancelot is employed? (what did you think medieval kings used hired guns for?)
>6. They may not have a lot of money but George's problems with Charming go FAR beyond the money. He is now on vendetta and he has made it clear that most of his problems with Charming have to do with him not being James. With the loss of his son.
Yes, he is on vendetta now. Not sure why you think James' death is why George is on vendetta against Charming.
*i goes to watch the ep*
>We see a number of able bodied adults in the village when they come to take the girl.
I admit, that was puzzling...after all, if you're fighting a war for your very survival, you won't stop people with asthma or flat feet from joining the fight. (wait, we did - WW2)
...or it may have been as simple as not letting the non-fighting youths and elders starve before they can be recruited.
>it seems as though the lord was not trying very hard if all we see the Dark One doing is terrorizing parents.
Granted, the only time we see Zoso in his role as Dark One, is during a bit of conscription.
(given Rumplestiltskin's age, probably the only people who might remember Zoso...are the older Fairies)
Re: good points
Date: 2012-10-19 12:55 am (UTC)I don't particularly care why a medieval king would hire a mercenary, but I do wonder why ending someone's fertility while leaving them alive is worse than killing people. Why that line? It's odd to me.
6. It just seems to me that losing true love or even the hope of true love (either a child or a lover) is a much bigger deal to FTL people than it is even to us. Some can get past it but if they have reasons to dwell on it, it seems to unhinge them and make them obsessive.
Re: good points
Date: 2012-10-19 01:12 am (UTC)That probably depends on how Lancelot left the Round Table in FTL.
...all the men worthy of his loyalty, were probably friends of Arthur (or didn't want to antagonize Arthur)
>I don't particularly care why a medieval king would hire a mercenary,
I do - George's kingdom was on the verge of bankruptcy...so this means someone's financing George's hunt.
> but I do wonder why ending someone's fertility while leaving them alive is worse than killing people.
It means their name will end, and there will not be much memory of them. (that and most of the fairytales come from times where lineage was of great importance - even in the lower social strata)
...that, and-or a measure of "now you'll know what I went through, Charming".
>6.
I would guess that it's a combination of tv's fascination with what some call "Twu Luv"...and how a lot of both fairytales (those that don't end horribly) and riddle stories, end with a couple or a family who are happy in their situation & happy they are together.