Question Post for Lady of the Lake
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abc_onceuponI have a review of the episode at my journal: Lady of the Lake.
And here are my questions/discussion points for episode...
1. Is Lancelot actually dead??? I know Cora said she killed him long ago but, if we know anything about her, we know she lies. I was looking forward to having him as a recurring character in post apocalyptic FTL and now he's gone before we even got to know him. I'm rather done with potentially interesting male characters getting killed off as soon as we meet them.
2. Why did Coralot want Mulan to go along with Snow and Emma? Because she really is their best warrior and she wanted to make sure that Snow found the portal she was looking for? (Before killing her off.) Or did she want Mulan out of the way for some reason? Possibly also because Mulan was their best warrior...
3. Do you think it has sunk in yet for Emma that Snow is REALLY badass and she should listen to her mother's advice? *g* Emma was completely bullheaded in this episode but it seems to me as though she had a real breakthrough at the end and won't be acting out her anger issues so much in the future. Also, I'm sure having her mom kill an ogre right in front of her helped in the 'I'll listen to mom' category.
4. So...Leviathan. The writers are complete trolls and are apparently cackling and rubbing their hands with glee over Whale's identity. Of course, it would probably work better if ABC didn't release half the episode before hand.
5. Oh Lancelot, I guess propping up a greedy and vindictive king is an okay thing to do but to keep someone from having children is the most HORRIBLE thing ever. Hmmm, not buying it. (And I say this as someone who has dealt with infertility.) I think I'll have to go with the idea that no one, except Regina, can look at Snow's sad face and not have a change of heart. Everyone must love her.
6. Though in FTL being able to have children of your own seems to be even a much bigger deal than it is here. It is a big deal here (hence all the fertility clinics) but there not having love or losing love, either romantic or familial, seems to send people right over the edge. Just look at Regina or Snow without her memories of Charming or King George.
7. Can we now take it as canon that King George was basically a good, if flawed, man before James was killed? I'm willing to do so. He has now stated it explicitly that he loved James as his son and that his whole issue with Charming is that he is not James while also reminding George of the fact that James is gone.
8. Were Cora and King George involved in some way? I don't believe they will be revealed to have been married (at least she will not be the beloved wife he talks about) or that Cora is the one who took the original infertility potion but we have a king who loves gold and a miller's daughter here. I do see a possible connection. And Cora is a good possibility for a scorned woman who George cast aside to marry his True Love. She would have no compunctions about cursing someone.
9. Furthermore, about the infertility curse, I thought True Love's Kiss could break any curse? I mean, it can break the Curse to End All Curses and the Dark One curse. These are heavy duty curses which you would think would require something more than a simple kiss. If one can build into a curse immunity against the kiss why not do that more often? The sleeping curse would be a hell of a lot more effective if one couldn't kiss it away.
10. King George looks very angry while watching Charming and Henry sparring. It puts me in mind of Regina when she saw David and Mary Margaret kissing last season. I'm thinking that this is the beginning of a complicated vengeance plot on George's part. The man cannot let it go. Ever. However, Charming needs his own nemesis since Regina is Snow's so I guess it works from a plot standpoint.
11. Ogres: blind, really big, fast, and to kill them you have to shoot them directly in the eye. Yes, these are the sort of creatures that we should send fourteen year old children off to fight. I'm sure they are all expert archers. Considering that Rumpel's lord had the Dark One at his beck and call, what are the odds that the Ogre War was a way to keep the populace in line? Rumpel ended it first thing with a snap of his fingers so Zoso certainly could have as well.
12. And the wardrobe ashes. Obviously these are going to come in VERY handy in helping Cora over to Storybrooke. I wonder what sort of trouble she is going to stir up when she arrives. (Which I think will happen some time before Emma and Snow make it back.)
And here are my questions/discussion points for episode...
1. Is Lancelot actually dead??? I know Cora said she killed him long ago but, if we know anything about her, we know she lies. I was looking forward to having him as a recurring character in post apocalyptic FTL and now he's gone before we even got to know him. I'm rather done with potentially interesting male characters getting killed off as soon as we meet them.
2. Why did Coralot want Mulan to go along with Snow and Emma? Because she really is their best warrior and she wanted to make sure that Snow found the portal she was looking for? (Before killing her off.) Or did she want Mulan out of the way for some reason? Possibly also because Mulan was their best warrior...
3. Do you think it has sunk in yet for Emma that Snow is REALLY badass and she should listen to her mother's advice? *g* Emma was completely bullheaded in this episode but it seems to me as though she had a real breakthrough at the end and won't be acting out her anger issues so much in the future. Also, I'm sure having her mom kill an ogre right in front of her helped in the 'I'll listen to mom' category.
4. So...Leviathan. The writers are complete trolls and are apparently cackling and rubbing their hands with glee over Whale's identity. Of course, it would probably work better if ABC didn't release half the episode before hand.
5. Oh Lancelot, I guess propping up a greedy and vindictive king is an okay thing to do but to keep someone from having children is the most HORRIBLE thing ever. Hmmm, not buying it. (And I say this as someone who has dealt with infertility.) I think I'll have to go with the idea that no one, except Regina, can look at Snow's sad face and not have a change of heart. Everyone must love her.
6. Though in FTL being able to have children of your own seems to be even a much bigger deal than it is here. It is a big deal here (hence all the fertility clinics) but there not having love or losing love, either romantic or familial, seems to send people right over the edge. Just look at Regina or Snow without her memories of Charming or King George.
7. Can we now take it as canon that King George was basically a good, if flawed, man before James was killed? I'm willing to do so. He has now stated it explicitly that he loved James as his son and that his whole issue with Charming is that he is not James while also reminding George of the fact that James is gone.
8. Were Cora and King George involved in some way? I don't believe they will be revealed to have been married (at least she will not be the beloved wife he talks about) or that Cora is the one who took the original infertility potion but we have a king who loves gold and a miller's daughter here. I do see a possible connection. And Cora is a good possibility for a scorned woman who George cast aside to marry his True Love. She would have no compunctions about cursing someone.
9. Furthermore, about the infertility curse, I thought True Love's Kiss could break any curse? I mean, it can break the Curse to End All Curses and the Dark One curse. These are heavy duty curses which you would think would require something more than a simple kiss. If one can build into a curse immunity against the kiss why not do that more often? The sleeping curse would be a hell of a lot more effective if one couldn't kiss it away.
10. King George looks very angry while watching Charming and Henry sparring. It puts me in mind of Regina when she saw David and Mary Margaret kissing last season. I'm thinking that this is the beginning of a complicated vengeance plot on George's part. The man cannot let it go. Ever. However, Charming needs his own nemesis since Regina is Snow's so I guess it works from a plot standpoint.
11. Ogres: blind, really big, fast, and to kill them you have to shoot them directly in the eye. Yes, these are the sort of creatures that we should send fourteen year old children off to fight. I'm sure they are all expert archers. Considering that Rumpel's lord had the Dark One at his beck and call, what are the odds that the Ogre War was a way to keep the populace in line? Rumpel ended it first thing with a snap of his fingers so Zoso certainly could have as well.
12. And the wardrobe ashes. Obviously these are going to come in VERY handy in helping Cora over to Storybrooke. I wonder what sort of trouble she is going to stir up when she arrives. (Which I think will happen some time before Emma and Snow make it back.)
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Date: 2012-10-18 04:19 pm (UTC)And I certainly agree that Cora and George most probably have a complicated back history with each, and that's it's not pretty.
As for those orges ~ I'm with Rumple: Any normal person of intelligence would run from those things. What indeed could 14 year old boys and girls with no military training do against those? For that matter, Pre-Dark One Rumple, a gentle and sensitive soul trained to the weaving arts, would certainly not be able to fight those things. Not cowardice to run away from being drafted into an hopeless cause, but common sense! And I like your notion that the overlord of the kingdom Rumple lived in was using it against the people, surely the original Dark One (Zozo) could have destroyed the orges if his overlord had willed it? Interesting concept!
As for Dr. Whale, I'm pretty certain I know who he's supposed to be, based on all of the clues recently dropped, and a certain theory that's making the rounds.
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Date: 2012-10-18 11:53 pm (UTC)It wouldn't be the first time that a leader has used war (or threat of war) to keep the people in line. We don't know enough about the politics of the region but clearly untrained peasants and teenagers are little better than speed bumps to ogres.
I have a feeling who he is supposed to be too (even though I've been trying to avoid those particular spoilers) but I found it funny that Lancelot was described as a monster from the deep which seems a bit dialog designed to fool us.
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Date: 2012-10-19 12:18 am (UTC)I thought it was a reference to "can you hook leviathan" and how Leviathan is supposed to be unmovable and impenetrable.
...which would have been a hint (FINALLY!) as to just what do the FTL people read.
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Date: 2012-10-19 12:16 am (UTC)That's assuming the Ogres were unprotected against attacks.
there's a difference between one loner (like Snow killed) and an army big enough to turn the sky red.
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Date: 2012-10-19 12:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-19 01:18 am (UTC)I agree.
The problem is, even if Zoso had wanted to end the Ogre Wars, the local ruler had power over Zoso - he had Zoso's blade&name.
(though, maybe there's another limit...but how could we tell when the {post-Zoso} Dark One is stopping Rumplestiltskin from doing something Rumplestiltskin wants to do?)