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abc_onceuponIt's time for my questions and discussion points for this week's episode. Only one more left.
1. This episode did answer some questions but it did it in a way that creates more questions. Now we know Snow didn't have any idea about Daniel until she ate the apple, so why did Snow think Regina hated her and was willing to have her killed? And killed Leopold? Most of the Snow and Charming fairybacks we've seen are pre-apple and Snow was very aware that she ruined Regina's life then.
2. And another answer which creates a question: When did Regina realize for certain Emma is "The Savior"? At the end of episode 2 when she discussed it with Mr. Gold? Because all season it has been played as Regina hating Emma for interfering with Henry not Regina fearing that Emma will break the curse and here we find out she has known for a long time.
3. This brings up the second part we learned about the curse breaking; that Emma's death will shatter the curse. Hmmm. Gold obviously knew that (and very obviously wrote that clause into the curse) which brings up the question of why he hasn't killed her? I have two possible answers. First, perhaps he doesn't want to kill her and is willing to wait a bit for her to believe instead, and, second, killing her would create an outcome he doesn't want (like everyone going back to FTL) so he has to wait. Oooh, I just thought of a third: killing Emma only breaks the curse if Regina does it since Regina cast the curse.
4. Okay, where the hell did Jefferson come from? I can see why he wouldn't volunteer to Regina that he had another hat which works (if it did) but we better get an explanation next week. Especially since I don't see where he had time to disappear in the normal way after falling two stories onto hard ground before Emma and Mary Margaret looked out of the window.
5. We now have confirmation that Jefferson's hat can travel through time as well as space. Why couldn't Rumpelstiltskin have used a dimension jumper then? It looks to me as though (with proper aim) it could have brought Rumpel right to Bae. Or did the Blue Fairy have a reason she wanted the curse to be used?
6. Gold is studying his globe and planning a trip. Where to? We know he doesn't know where Bae is (or even how old he is) or he couldn't have been fooled by August, and also the world is a BIG place. It's not as though he needs to visit a few villages or a small area. He would need a direction and I'm wondering where he is going to get one.
7. The apple is more than Regina's favorite fruit and method of destruction, it is also tied into the health of the curse. The curse seems to be sustaining the apple tree since weakening the curse weakens her tree. Does it also work in the other direction? Would cutting down the apple tree end the curse? Also, anyone having a weird craving for apple turnovers? We did see one 'kill' Henry but it looked so tasty! Nom.
8. When Regina wanted to make a new deal with Gold and he told her she had nothing he wanted I'm sure a large portion of the viewing audience said 'Belle' to the screen. Why didn't Regina pull out the Belle card then? Not desperate enough maybe? I can see it blowing up in her face quite easily and I'm sure she can too.
9. If Regina can rewrite people as she promised she would do for Jefferson, how often do you think she rewrote things in the 28 years of the curse? I'm thinking often because otherwise Storybrooke is simply too damn boring and also Evil Queens do need to have hobbies. Maybe that is why Henry was in therapy. It wasn't that nothing ever changed. It's that things did and no one remembered they were ever different. :)
10. Will Emma's kiss wake up Henry next week? True love doesn't only have to mean romantic love. It can be familial love as well. (Or as Emma was created from true love and likely written into the curse through the true love potion, perhaps her kisses always have the power of true love.) Assuming the kiss is used and works, does Emma have to believe the concept first or will the kiss work anyway and thereby trigger her belief?
11. Is Emma now at the point of still truly not believing or is she at the point of not wanting to believe? The way she talked this week gave me the impression she doesn't have the same certainty that she had before. I'm sure Henry is counting on that.
Well, that is all I have for this week! If anyone is interested in more of my thoughts on the episode, I wrote a review here.
1. This episode did answer some questions but it did it in a way that creates more questions. Now we know Snow didn't have any idea about Daniel until she ate the apple, so why did Snow think Regina hated her and was willing to have her killed? And killed Leopold? Most of the Snow and Charming fairybacks we've seen are pre-apple and Snow was very aware that she ruined Regina's life then.
2. And another answer which creates a question: When did Regina realize for certain Emma is "The Savior"? At the end of episode 2 when she discussed it with Mr. Gold? Because all season it has been played as Regina hating Emma for interfering with Henry not Regina fearing that Emma will break the curse and here we find out she has known for a long time.
3. This brings up the second part we learned about the curse breaking; that Emma's death will shatter the curse. Hmmm. Gold obviously knew that (and very obviously wrote that clause into the curse) which brings up the question of why he hasn't killed her? I have two possible answers. First, perhaps he doesn't want to kill her and is willing to wait a bit for her to believe instead, and, second, killing her would create an outcome he doesn't want (like everyone going back to FTL) so he has to wait. Oooh, I just thought of a third: killing Emma only breaks the curse if Regina does it since Regina cast the curse.
4. Okay, where the hell did Jefferson come from? I can see why he wouldn't volunteer to Regina that he had another hat which works (if it did) but we better get an explanation next week. Especially since I don't see where he had time to disappear in the normal way after falling two stories onto hard ground before Emma and Mary Margaret looked out of the window.
5. We now have confirmation that Jefferson's hat can travel through time as well as space. Why couldn't Rumpelstiltskin have used a dimension jumper then? It looks to me as though (with proper aim) it could have brought Rumpel right to Bae. Or did the Blue Fairy have a reason she wanted the curse to be used?
6. Gold is studying his globe and planning a trip. Where to? We know he doesn't know where Bae is (or even how old he is) or he couldn't have been fooled by August, and also the world is a BIG place. It's not as though he needs to visit a few villages or a small area. He would need a direction and I'm wondering where he is going to get one.
7. The apple is more than Regina's favorite fruit and method of destruction, it is also tied into the health of the curse. The curse seems to be sustaining the apple tree since weakening the curse weakens her tree. Does it also work in the other direction? Would cutting down the apple tree end the curse? Also, anyone having a weird craving for apple turnovers? We did see one 'kill' Henry but it looked so tasty! Nom.
8. When Regina wanted to make a new deal with Gold and he told her she had nothing he wanted I'm sure a large portion of the viewing audience said 'Belle' to the screen. Why didn't Regina pull out the Belle card then? Not desperate enough maybe? I can see it blowing up in her face quite easily and I'm sure she can too.
9. If Regina can rewrite people as she promised she would do for Jefferson, how often do you think she rewrote things in the 28 years of the curse? I'm thinking often because otherwise Storybrooke is simply too damn boring and also Evil Queens do need to have hobbies. Maybe that is why Henry was in therapy. It wasn't that nothing ever changed. It's that things did and no one remembered they were ever different. :)
10. Will Emma's kiss wake up Henry next week? True love doesn't only have to mean romantic love. It can be familial love as well. (Or as Emma was created from true love and likely written into the curse through the true love potion, perhaps her kisses always have the power of true love.) Assuming the kiss is used and works, does Emma have to believe the concept first or will the kiss work anyway and thereby trigger her belief?
11. Is Emma now at the point of still truly not believing or is she at the point of not wanting to believe? The way she talked this week gave me the impression she doesn't have the same certainty that she had before. I'm sure Henry is counting on that.
Well, that is all I have for this week! If anyone is interested in more of my thoughts on the episode, I wrote a review here.
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Date: 2012-05-09 04:31 pm (UTC)2. I'm pretty sure she's known ever since Gold said, "you know exactly who she is." But Emma is a very stubborn woman, and Regina has known that she doesn't believe in the curse. If the tree is dying, I feel like Emma must be starting to believe!
3. You're right, it may have to be Regina who does it. Otherwise, I could see Gold running Emma through on the first day they met, lol.
4. I feel like I'm the only person not bothered by the sudden return of Jefferson, lol. The guy has a few screws loose, I assume he ran away at the end of Hat Trick and just stayed hidden for a while. He would never disappear completely or for too long because he's too obsessed with Grace.
5. It's possible that, even with his vast knowledge, Rumple didn't know about the hat. It seems a unique and custom piece of magic. And I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the Blue Fairy!
6. He might have theorized some leads. He's a smart guy. He's just looking to put some miles on that old Caddy!
7. I thought it looked a little undercooked.
8. Yeah, I was rocking back and forth like a mental patient chanting, "here it comes!" And then...it didn't. I'm pretty sure the writers were fucking with us when Gold said, "you no longer have anything I want." They WANTED our heads to explode! Mine nearly did. Anyway, yeah, Belle is probably a last resort...if Regina is even able to keep control of her. I have some head-canon where Regina is ALWAYS the one to "reveal" Belle, but maybe that won't be the case at all. The finale looks to take place in the hospital for much of it, because of Henry. Maybe Belle uses all the excitement to escape. Maybe Gold comes by and sees a shifty nurse entering a door that says "exit" and follows her. I don't know anymore!
9. All of this. I imagine anytime someone was supposed to graduate high school or get married or apply to college, Regina has to adjust the curse. Either that, or it really was on an endless loop. And of course Henry would notice that he moved on to other grades but his classmates never did.
10. I truly think a kiss from Emma is where they're going with this. Maybe since she is the result of True Love, maybe her kisses do always work. The creators have alluded to something like that. It's just that Emma doesn't freely give out kisses, lol. Maybe if August had played his cards right, she could have kissed him and fixed his wood problem! All of the puns intended.
11. Emma is ready to believe, but it just all still seems so unbelievable. Plus she has that little problem of not wanting people to depend on her. I grew up in this world, same as Emma, and I know for damn sure I wouldn't believe that I was the Savior meant to stop some magical curse in MAINE! It's so far-fetched, I would need proof that I can't debunk. So I always kind of stick up for Emma, even when she frustrates me. Had she been able to see August's little problem, though, it would have really helped things along.
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Date: 2012-05-09 06:50 pm (UTC)3. Heh. He isn't much for being slow to kill people who are in his way. Either Regina must the one to do it or killing Emma breaks the curse in a way he doesn't like.
4. I like he's back but I have trouble believing he could have run from the fall so quickly. It's like the lasagna last week. *g* I'm good with suspending my disbelief on BIG things but sometimes the small ones trip me up.
5. He specifically mentions dimension jumpers to the Blue Fairy so maybe not a hat (and this hat almost certainly didn't exist back then) but he knew about the concept. I'm hoping for a Blue Fairy reveal in the finale. *crosses fingers*
7. It could have been a little browner but it still put my in mind of my own apple turnover recipe and I think I'll make it for the finale. It seems appropriate.
8. They were completely fucking with us. It couldn't have been clearer if the actors had looked at the camera and winked. It would be funny if Regina held back from using Belle all this time waiting for the right moment and then she loses Belle before she can. All the risk of Gold's reaction and none of the benefit of getting a deal out of him.
9. I do think it really was loop so Ashley was always just about to give birth, weddings were always just about to happen, graduation was always coming up. However, I love the thought of Regina rewriting Snow into various lives over the years. 'Let's see. Last year she'll have had children and lost them in a nasty divorce. This year she is a childless day care operator taking care of other people's kids. Ooh, and next year she'll be the bereaved mother whose children have died! Mwahaha!' I mean what else was there to do in Storybrooke all those years?
10. She did seem interested in the idea of kissing him but then he felt the need to play up the mysterious angle when he should have been playing up the romance angle.