Red Handed Questions

[chloris.livejournal.com]

I have my discussion questions for Red Handed.

Excellent episode and lots of things happened in this one.

1. Who called Red as the Big Bad Wolf? I know I didn't and I think they did a good job of confusing the issue on who was the wolf until the reveal. And I certainly didn't think they would have her eat Peter. (Though that I should have realized since she had talked about losing love.)

2. Why didn't Granny TELL Red, especially after she ate several townspeople? Actually why not before since then Red doesn't have to carry the guilt of killing anyone? I'd say that knowing you ate people is more of burden than knowing you are a werewolf.

3. Of course the meta reason she didn't tell is to carry the metaphor through the whole plot relating werewolfism to female sexuality. I thought it worked on that level even though it wasn't terribly subtle. There were times I thought I was watching a Buffy episode. (And I like Buffy.)

4. Who else wanted Ruby to continue working with Emma a bit longer? Ruby could have quit the diner a few episodes ago, interwoven the plots a bit more, and forestalled the questions on who is calling Emma from the station before going back this episode. Emma could really use a deputy or at least a dispatcher.

5. Ruby channeling her inner Red was wonderful and I loved how she became more Red-like as the episode progressed. Maybe instead of kissing everyone, Emma simply needs to give each townsperson a pep talk and take even a brief personal interest in them. Though kissing everyone would be good too.

6. David. What was he doing wandering about looking for someone or something? Why was he so spacey? My theory is that his real memories are trying to get out. Perhaps tacked-on, late model curse memories aren't as strong as original flavor ones? One thing I don't think happened is that Regina took his heart, simply because I don't think Regina can do that in Storybrooke. Squeeze previously taken hearts: yes. Take new ones: no. Though I could be wrong, we haven't seen any evidence of her using new magic so far.

7. Regina didn't have much to do here besides show up and yell at Emma for bothering David which seriously makes me wonder what she is up to. Why appear to frame David with phone records last week while defending his innocence this week? Maybe she needed a little time to properly frame Mary Margaret and wanted the attention on David as she did it?

8. How did Mary Margaret's fingerprints get on the inside of that box? We know she didn't put the heart there so I'm thinking it was probably a box that Snow had before she ran and Regina kept it. Or, as Regina has keys to the whole town, it would be easy for her to go into the apartment and get a box while Mary Margaret is working.

9. Do you think David will support Mary Margaret even with the evidence against her or will he desert her? I'm not sure. On one hand, there are strong feelings of true love pulling them together, and, on the other, curse.

10. And the heart. I don't think it's Kathryn's heart since that is the most obvious choice. I also don't think it's the heart of anyone who is currently alive since those hearts don't look like real hearts. Even if they don't glow when Regina isn't holding them, they still look like metaphorical representations of hearts without the blood and arteries. But we know Regina is happy to add real hearts of dead people to her collection so I'm betting that it is one of those. (Or maybe Graham's heart - she squeezed his metaphorical heart to dust but that doesn't mean his real heart wasn't still there and mostly undamaged.)

11. Which leaves the question of why bury it by the toll bridge and would Regina expect Emma to be able find it without Ruby's help?

Comments

[jelazakazone.livejournal.com]

Oooh, is there a troll who lives under that bridge? (random comment is random:))

[chloris.livejournal.com]

Heh. I think Snow turned them all to insects way back in Snow Falls so we don't have to worry about trolls anymore.

[jelazakazone.livejournal.com]

Oh, right. I forgot about that. Oooh, that makes me wonder if Gold is the new troll? I really don't want him to be mixed up in all this. Maybe Regina had Glass bury his own heart. Maybe I'm just talking a bunch of hot air.

I don't try to predict what is going to happen in a tv show. It's more fun to just go along for the ride:) I loved that Red turned out to be the wolf. I didn't love that she ate Peter. That part made me very sad.

[c-l-craft.livejournal.com]

I have this really weird and random theory that it's actually Regina's heart in the box, that she was trying to hide it as a way of making herself immortal like in some of the older stories. It would explain why it was hidden in the first place, she never wanted it found.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

I've seen that theory and I don't know how that would work! We didn't see the heart but, based on Ruby's reaction to it, it's a nasty, bloody heart in the box. Would it be a different sort of magic than she used on the Huntsman? So that her actual heart isn't in her body? (And why use a box with Mary's fingerprints?)

[c-l-craft.livejournal.com]

Well, from what I recall from the stories it would literally be the heart out of her chest, but they've been playing fairly loose with the myths/stories/folklore so who knows!

[hughville.livejournal.com]

I really wanted Emma and Ruby to continue to work together. Ruby is funny and quirky and a good match with Emma.

I also liked that Ruby became more like Red as the episode progressed and that the change was pretty much complete by the end of the episode.

Red being the wolf shocked me beyond words. It was totally unexpected. I totally loved it that she was the wolf but I think Granny did Red a HUGE disservice by not telling her. I know Granny thought she was protecting her granddaughter but now Red has to live with the fact that not only is she capable of turning into this fierce wolf but that she killed people who were important to her. Of course, if Granny told her, there wouldn't have been this wonderful episode that allowed Meghan Ory to show how talented she is as an actress.

I think Kathryn is in the hospital basement with Belle. I think that's where Regina keeps the people she wants everyone to think is dead. I wouldn't be surprised to see Graham there, too.

I want to know how David got that cut on his head. Though I loved that Ruby tracked his scent like a wolf would.

I don't even try to predict what will happen anymore because the writers always end up turning it all upside down which I LOVE.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

I also liked that Ruby became more like Red as the episode progressed and that the change was pretty much complete by the end of the episode.

Yes. She didn't have her memories back but she had herself back and that's good! I liked how they showed her look changing from the overly done Ruby look so a more toned down Red look.

As for Kathryn, I think in the basement is the most logical place for her. She was obviously spirited away right after the accident. Unless she is wandering in the woods and Regina is just hoping she won't show up any time soon.

I'd be surprised to see Graham there! We saw his heart crushed into dust and I don't think you can come back for that. :)

Oh yes, the cut on his head. What does that mean? I get the feeling we are going to come back to that because why give him a cut if it's nothing?

[earthspirits.livejournal.com]

I thought it was a brilliant episode and I loved the twist of making Red the wolf (although I agree that Granny really should have told her), but would have loved it if Ruby had stayed working in some capacity with Emma, rather than going back to the diner. It also did a good job of furthering the sub-plot with MM, David and the missing Kathryn.

The only thing that would have made it even better would have been some Gold/Rumple screen time (icing on the cake, so to speak).

[chloris.livejournal.com]

I understand why they had her go back to the diner but they made such a good team! Finding a heart could freak you out though and I don't blame her for not wanting to deal with it.

Yes, having some Carlyle would have been excellent but I think they were letting the man rest before the last run of episodes. :)

[akinarei.livejournal.com]

2. The old saying: what you don't know, can't and won't hurt you.

10. We never actually saw the heart. It might be the real deal unlike Graham's.

9. I think David loves her too much to do anything but support her.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

2. That is what Granny was hoping for but I don't think she succeeded in sparing Red pain.

10. I think it is a real heart since I don't see Ruby being as freaked out about a 'heart' in a box. It needs to be horrible and gross. But it could still be Graham's heart! Only his real heart which was still in his chest and not the metaphorical heart Regina squeezed to dust.

9. I hope so. The curse has sat hard on David to the point where he seems unable to act or to focus. I can see it making him dither so that he can't turn against her but he also can't support her. That seems to be the curse's MO with him.

[bloodysuicide69.livejournal.com]

Lots of good questions!! I honestly have no theories for any, though I have to say that David will stick by Mary Margaret. It would really be awful if he didn't. Then again since their the main event, throwing something between them would just add more tension which gets more ratings.

Emma will stick by MM though. I know that. :)

[chloris.livejournal.com]

Thanks. And I hope he does but the curse may have other ideas. I think the writers have deconstructed him enough for me though already.

I agree that Emma will stick by Mary Margaret! She should remember that she was with her that evening when Kathryn went missing.

[d-garmo71.livejournal.com]

1. I did!! But not until after she told Peter he was the wolf and they were going to chain him up. lol I was betting on Granny before that.

2. I suppose she thought Red wouldn't find out since she has no memory of her nightly excursions. And there is something to be said for that. But once she got the hood from the wizard (Rumple?) she should have told her. She would have worn the damn thing then.

4. I wanted Ruby to keep working for Emma a bit longer. Going back to the diner was probably inevitable but Ruby's been living/working with Granny her entire life and working for Emma would have given her some independence. A chance to experience life a bit. Sure, it's not the same as spotting lemurs in Nepal (I'm just going to ignore that they don't live there) but at least it was something. And if she had gone back to the diner later because Granny's not getting any younger and someone has to take over, I would have been fine with that.

8. I think the box belonged to Snow in FTL. Why Regina would keep it I don't know. Regina is not the chess player Gold is so I doubt she would have kept it for future use, but it belonging to Snow before is the only thing that makes sense at this point.

9. I keep flip-flopping about this. Charming would support her. No doubt about that. But David... He loves her, sure, but he's such a coward. Not putting money on this either way.

[chloris.livejournal.com]

1. I was still thinking it would be someone else. Writers love me because I almost never figure out the twist ahead of time.

2. Yes, once she had the cloak that was time to tell. It's one thing to tell someone that they are a werewolf and there is nothing they can do about it and another to say it and tell them you have a cure of sorts.

4. Heh. I believe the lemurs in Nepal was supposed to be a hint and not an error on the part of the writers. I don't know what it means (except that he was lying) but they mentioned in an interview that we should look out for the line.