ABC Once Upon A Time

1. What do you like about Hook?
Firstly, Colin. A tremendously talented and sweet guy, intelligent, with tons of charm and of course, extremely handsome. I also love that the series is now focusing more on Killian as Killian, rather than as just "Hook". That said, I also like his metal hook, and his pirate swagger, as well as his bravery and loyalty (to Emma).

2. What would you change about Hook?
What has happened in the series has happened. That said, going forward, I want to see more focus on Killian continuing to becoming his old "pre-Hook" honorable self, with continued sincere making of amends for all wrongs he committed previously, as well as joining Emma in protecting her family, and the rest of Storybrooke's citizens (he has, to some extent, already started to do this). That would be realistic, and very welcome. Besides, I love a good redemption plot. That said, I prefer that the writers don't lose the character's wit, charm, and swagger, which I admire, and which is a very appealing part of his persona.

3. Thoughts on how his story tied to Rumple as the crocodile?
On this series, everything seems to (eventually) in some way or other, be tied to Rumple, sort of "six degrees" of Rumple. That said, I think Hook could have been introduced a bit better, preferably without Milah.

4. Was Milah his true love?
No - but since Hook / Killian is loyal to those he is fond of, he will go to extremes to avenge and/or protect them (such as his reaction to the death of this brother). As for Milah herself, I don't think she ever truly "loved" anyone, Rumple or Hook - just adventure and kicks.

5. How choppy are the waters for his relationship with Emma as we go into season 4?
Knowing the writers, there will probably be some more angst and difficulties along the way, but I think that eventually Killian and Emma will be together as a devoted couple, and firmly, mutually in love. As far as I'm concerned, they are each other's true love and soul mates.

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And regardless of how you may or may not have liked Neal, he was a huge part of Emma's life, and I found it extremely out of character that she would be snogging Hook out in the open mere days after he DIED IN HER ARMS.

However, she was NOT dating Neal while he died, they never got back together. It's not like she kissed someone soon after her boyfriend died, they were over. She cared about thim of course, and he's the father of Henry, but that's it. Emma is single, and Hook keeps saving her, and being there for her everytime she needed it. Also, giving up his ship for her is a big deal considering that 'she' was the most important thing in his life. I would have been touched too if I was Emma.

But of course, you have the right to think differently.

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including leaving her and her mom and friends in a cell to die during season 2 and having never apologized for that

In my opinion, he just got back at her for leaving him "to die" tied up at the mercy of the Giant, even if he was supposed to release him but Hook did not knew that. I would have been pissed at Emma too if I was Hook in the same situation.

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I agree with everything except for point 3. Good to know I'm not the only Captain Swan shipper here. It seems I'm the only one that think it was a clever and original idea to make Hook want "to skin the crocodile" aka Rumple to get his revenge for killing Milah.

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For me, it's less about whether or not Emma and Neal got back together and more that she never had time to truly process her feelings for him. Like, when he fell through the portal to FTL after being shot, Emma told him she loved him, but when they were in Neverland, she admitted how much easier it would have been if he had died. I didn't care that much about whether or not they got back together (I'm actually a Mad Swan shipper lol XD) but I wanted her to have real closure. And when she didn't get it, I felt like it was out of character to still have all these conflicting feelings while jumping into Hook's arms.

But yeah, as you say, differing opinions and all. Hook's a fairly polarizing character, I've noticed, which is why like discussing him :)

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She had time to talk to Neal at the hospital soon after "he got back". In my opinion, that's where they had a real closure.

I loved Jefferson/the Mad Hatter (and I hope he'll come back in an episode or two in the next season) but I don't think Emma could have ever considered dating him, mostly for what he did to her and MM. So, I guess I feel the same toweard Mad Swan that what you feel toward Captain Swan! lol I guess it's a matter of preference.

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Thank you, Alexia!

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Haha, I guess you agree with me, but of course people can have similar or different point of view/preferences :)

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I'm new to the community and was feeling a bit like a fish out of water. :)

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earthspirits commented at the bottom and she's a Captain Swan shippers too.

You might also be interested to join

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captainhooks :)

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1. What do you like about Hook?

His charm, his smile, his blue blue eyes.... *clears throat* Where were we? Oh yes, I also love his redemption arc. One of my favorite things about this show is that not all the "bad guys" started out that way. So it's totally in character, IMO, for him to fall in with the "good guys" and decide to redeem himself. It's one of the things I love about Regina too; she's trying to go back to being good, and if shippers can forgive her for murdering literally hundreds of people (and raping Graham/Huntsman), then I don't see why they can't forgive Hook for punching Belle. And that's all I'll say, 'cause I'm not here to start a ship war.

2. What would you change about Hook?

Can't think of a thing.

3. Thoughts on how his story tied to Rumple as the crocodile?

I didn't buy that Hook was somehow deeply in love with Milah, and I think she was selfish to leave her son, but otherwise, I don't mind that plot line.

4. Was Milah his true love?

No, see above. My head canon is that he only thought it was true love until he met Emma. ;)

5. How choppy are the waters for his relationship with Emma as we go into season 4?

I hope that while they'll have their problems to work through and might get separated at the hand of some curse/villain, they always end up together like Snow and Charming. But I'm bracing myself in case the writers split them up. ~~And then I'll drown myself in fluffy CS fic.~~

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Yep, I'm a devoted Captain Swan shipper - Killian and Emma are my absolute favorite characters on the series!

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1. his blue blue eyes.... *clears throat* Where were we?
Haha, yeah, his blue eyes are very distracting.

And I totally agree that if people can forgive Regina and Rumple for all the bad things they did (which was much worse than all the things Hook ever did) they should be able to accept Hook as a great like, as he was before he became a pirate.

5. I really hope that Hook and Emma will become and remain a couple on the show, just like Snow and Charming, as you said. However, I love Hook so much, so even if he was starting to date Red or Tink, I would enjoy their scenes.

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1. What do you like about Hook?
I would go with his resiliency. The guy gets knocked down literally and metaphorically more than the rest of the group put together. And then he gets right back up and tries another tack.

2. What would you change about Hook?
Probably nothing. His past is his past and he's willing to move on and forward and learn from his experiences.

3. Thoughts on how his story tied to Rumple as the crocodile?
I like it. I like how there will always be friction between the two characters because that is interesting. Some of my favorite scenes are the two characters squaring off with each other.

4. Was Milah his true love?
I can accept that she was A love. He obviously didn't agree with all of her choices, and would have preferred to go back and get her son. My take on that is that he's driven to find the family that he lost when his brother died.

5. How choppy are the waters for his relationship with Emma as we go into season 4?
Mega choppy. He has issues. She has issues. Plus, smooth is not really interesting. I'm fine with them having stumbling blocks to overcome. I just hope they don't put him in a sleeping spell for half the season. Where's the fun in that?

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1. What do you like about Hook?
The good looks help. The charm and wit and swagger help. The bad-boy archetype in general helps… I like what he is super loyal to people he REALLY cares about even though there aren’t a lot of them. I like that he doesn’t let things get in his way, that he’s confidant, determined… He’s just all around the sort of male character I love in fiction.

2. What would you change about Hook?
Him going goo-goo over Emma. I started out shipping this paring when it was kind of more a “hook up” but now… Also, tying into this, I hope they tone down this trajectory that he’s on. Redemptions are very cliché and standard, but I kinda hope he keep some of that unapologetic streak, too. (I think there’s such a thing as a healthy dose of selfishness.)

3. Thoughts on how his story tied to Rumple as the crocodile?
I didn’t mind it. Actually, it gives me Killian/MIlah to ship and then Bae and Killian too, by association, so…

4. Was Milah his true love?
First of all, I’m not buying the whole “true love” fantasy/trope. *rolls eyes* IMO it’s totally possible to love different people throughout your lifetime. So, yes, I think he did love her. Whether or not she loved him…I don’t see why not? People fall in love in this show/fairytales from first sight or for no reason at all *cough*Belle*cough* so I don’t see why not. It could have totally happened later (after they left) too… She may have been selfish for leaving her son, but that’s different from her feelings for Killian. (I also object to this idea that an act of selfishness toward one person or falling out of love with someone means that a person can’t really love someone else. Or that if you fall in love, it HAS to be forever and ever and ever or it doesn’t count.) /end rant

5. How choppy are the waters for his relationship with Emma as we go into season 4?
I mean, they obviously still have issues. Neither of them has an easy personality. There’s plenty of material to allow for dramatic angst, but I feel like they’re setting them up for the long run. I’m not an Emma fan so I wouldn’t mind it if they broke up either.

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4. Was Milah his true love?
I can accept that she was A love. He obviously didn't agree with all of her choices, and would have preferred to go back and get her son. My take on that is that he's driven to find the family that he lost when his brother died.

I agree. Very well said.

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1. What do you like about Hook?

I like that he came to the realization that vengeance is a path to self-destruction rather than satisfaction on his own. It gives him a level of self-awareness that neither Regina nor Rumple seem to possess, and it makes his redemption path seem more ... lasting, I guess. Because he gave it up on his own and not for someone else, because he's not relying on an external source to be his moral compass, and because he didn't like the person he'd become. I like that he builds Emma up and gives her confidence and just generally is there for her in a way that so few people have ever been. I think she needs that, she needs someone to push her but she also needs someone to tell her, "I've yet to see you fail."

2. What would you change about Hook?

Truthfully, I'm very happy with the way his story has been handled thus far. I would maybe have liked him to not attempt to kidnap Henry, even as a means of keeping him safe, but beyond that, I'm good with the captain.

3. Thoughts on how his story tied to Rumple as the crocodile?

There were perhaps other ways of integrating him into the story but I did like that it wasn't just the taking of his hand that kept him on a 300-year path to vengeance. For something to be worth it for three centuries, there needs to be a more personal stake involved, especially in a land where magic exists and a new hand could potentially be poofed into place. Having Rumple be the one to kill his love met those personal stakes.

4. Was Milah his true love?

I don't know. I don't deny they loved each other but we didn't really see enough of them together for me to be sure.

5. How choppy are the waters for his relationship with Emma as we go into season 4?

Knowing this show, I'm sure it'll be very choppy. Emma's not an easy person to get to know, and I'm sure both her and his trust issues will make problems for them. But they are kindred spirits in a way, and I like that Hook can read her like a book, so it's my hope that these crazy kids do work it out. No lie, my dream series finale is Emma's wedding to Hook, which would bookend nicely with the show starting on Snow's and Charming's wedding while taking Emma from the friendless orphan we met in the pilot to a true fairy tale princess surrounded by more love than she knows what to do with.

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I just spent an embarrassing number of seconds looking for a "like" button for this. *facepalm*

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THIS - In complete agreement with you, athousandsmiles and alexia-drake, regarding Killian's redemption arc. As you say, if Rumple and Regina can be forgiven for their violent past and crimes...then I think that Killian can be forgiven for any wrongs he committed (which are much lesser, if one compares to the other two characters). Even Belle on the series has forgiven him (which is very much in character for Belle).

And oh yes - those magnificent blue eyes of his (and let's not forget the roguish smile and the beautiful Irish accent). ♥

In the fan fic stories I've written about Killian and Emma, they are deeply in love.

But whatever the series writers eventually do, I will always love Killian as a character.

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2. What would you change about Hook?

Truthfully, I'm very happy with the way his story has been handled thus far. I would maybe have liked him to not attempt to kidnap Henry, even as a means of keeping him safe, but beyond that, I'm good with the captain.

I like to think that Hook does bad things for a good reason. Not that he's justifying the things he really shouldn't have done, but that the viewers can understand how his thinking got twisted around and he forgot to check his moral compass along the way. Emma is coming under all sorts of criticism from the fans and the characters on the show for her rescue of Marian. How ironic that Hook was the one voicing the problem to her. Looking back on that, of the two of them, which one was wrong and which one was right?

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I agree, Killian and Emma's wedding would make a splendid and very apt finale to the series - I would love that!

But not too soon - as I hope the show (with Killian!) will stay on for quite a while. : )

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(and let's not forget the roguish smile and the beautiful Irish accent). ♥

Obvioulsy! He makes me swoon/melt.

But whatever the series writers eventually do, I will always love Killian as a character.

Same here. As long as he's on the show, I'll be happy no matter what the writers do to him :D

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I completely agree that Hook was trying to do the right thing in his attempt to get Henry the hell out of Storybrooke, and in its own way, it's not unlike when Emma tried to do the same thing way back at the end of season one. It was wrong, but you could understand where they both were coming from.

In terms of Marian, you'll find no complaints from me about Emma saving a woman's life. The real issue with changing the past was the potential catastrophic results of changing the timeline. Hook and Emma end-ran around those potential catastrophic results by bringing Marian forward with them. The potential consequences to the present weren't really the problem, and really, Emma reunited a family. Little Roland has his mother back. That's a good thing, in my eyes, and if it hadn't maybe broken up Outlaw Queen, Emma saving Marian would have been celebrated.

Plus, I find it really hard to feel sorry for Regina that her boyfriend's dead wife is back when she was the one who was supposed to have killed her in the first place. ;)

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But not too soon - as I hope the show (with Killian!) will stay on for quite a while. : )

Same here! So we'll get the Captain Swan wedding many, many years from now. ;)

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No lie, my dream series finale is Emma's wedding to Hook, which would bookend nicely with the show starting on Snow's and Charming's wedding while taking Emma from the friendless orphan we met in the pilot to a true fairy tale princess surrounded by more love than she knows what to do with.

Yeah, it would be a great ending, in many season from now :D lol

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Plus, I find it really hard to feel sorry for Regina that her boyfriend's dead wife is back when she was the one who was supposed to have killed her in the first place.

Totally ditto!

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Hee, yes, many seasons from now is a given. ;)

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Yay! I've found that to be kind of an unpopular opinion within the fandom at large, heh. For me, it's a level of squick that I just can't handwave away.

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1. What do you like about Hook?
I love his personality, his charming roguishness, his Pirate!ness, and his hidden depths.

2. What would you change about Hook?
I MIGHT get him Hooked on some one else as, as much as I would like to see it otherwise, I don't see him getting the happily ever after he deserves with Emma.

3. Thoughts on how his story tied to Rumple as the crocodile?
Yet another unsuspecting twist the writers sprung on us! I do love how they interlace all the tales together. I'm one of the few who enjoyed the twist with Pan, disliking (and hating) only that Rumpel died.

4. Was Milah his true love?
Bleep no!

5. How choppy are the waters for his relationship with Emma as we go into season 4?
Too much so. They're not going to let Emma be happy until the end of the series, if then.

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Ditto - I also agree with you, mommanerd!

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Have him stop punching women for starters. I have a real problem with that.

I also had a problem with Emma punching him for the slightest thing, as well.

1. What do you like about Hook?
He is funny and complex, at the same time.

2. What would you change about Hook?
Nothing. I almost added that I wish the writers would stop turning him into some kind of Wile E. Coyote. But apparently they have.

3. Thoughts on how his story tied to Rumple as the crocodile?
Honestly? I had no problems.

4. Was Milah his true love?
Probably. He spent nearly three centuries seeking revenge for her death.

5. How choppy are the waters for his relationship with Emma as we go into season 4?
I think any man getting involved with Emma is in for some choppy water.

Plus, I find it really hard to feel sorry for Regina that her boyfriend's dead wife is back when she was the one who was supposed to have killed her in the first place.

The series hasn't confirmed that Regina had Marian killed in the original timeline. The story isn't finished yet. And that doesn't excuse the fact that both Emma and Hook did the wrong thing by bringing Marian to Storybrooke. They changed the timeline . . . and that was wrong. Even a series like "CHARMED" was willing to admit that changing the timeline - even if it meant saving an innocent's life - was a recipe for disaster. It's just wrong. That's why Hook warned Emma about changing the timeline, numerous times.

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Regarding the change of timeline - I'm really curious about how that's all going to play out. They've made a point of showing Robin believes Marian died because of something he did, and in Season 1, she was dying of an illness. So then how will her imprisonment by Regina figure into all of that? We know that it was her defense of Snow that put her in peril.

So now I'm wondering what she may have accomplished if she'd escaped on her own, or been freed by Regina, back in the original timeline.

Probably a discussion for another topic...

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