Episode Discussion 1x14: Dreamy

[jadestrick.livejournal.com]

Episode Discussion 1x14: Dreamy

Mary Margaret teams up with Leroy, Storybrooke's resident trouble maker, to help him sell candles during the Miner's Day Festival. Emma investigates Kathryn's sudden disapperance. Meanwhile, in the fairy-tale land that was, the Seven Dwarfs is made known as well as Grumpy's romance with the beautiful yet clumsy fairy Nova.

Last time I'll say it, I promise. :) Please remember the new 24 hours spoiler policy!

Comments

[pwalkeri.livejournal.com]

I'm wondering how large this town is. Because how have these people lived in the same town for 28 years and not already know each other?

[veracity]

My guess is the size of all the kingdoms combined, so enormous.

[blue-lantern.livejournal.com]

I've been wondering that myself. Nothing about the size of the town seems to work out in my head - they seem to have a large, well staffed hospital, which implies fairly large numbers of people, but at the same time Emma seems to be the only law enforcement official around. And there are plenty of people who are unfamiliar with each other, but everyone seems to be aware enough of who Mary Margaret is to shun her. I think it's just something we've got to handwave.

[pwalkeri.livejournal.com]

Exactly! We're supposed to believe this is a small town with the need of only one sheriff, yet the town is big enough that many of these people don't know each other. And good point also about MM.

I know it isn't really a big deal, but it bugs me xD

[blue-lantern.livejournal.com]

It bugs me too! I keep noticing conflicting information, but I think the only solution is "the town is as big as the plot requires it to be" :P

[veracity]

Ha, I just got it: Nova and Astrid.

Emma is daft if she listens to Sydney so easily. Why would you so willingly trust someone who has deep ties to the mayor? She's losing her cynicism, but it almost like she's losing her layers. I wonder if she's not the opposite of the other people (they lost the fairy dust and she's gained too much).

[celestialdescent]

I really want to know what the nuns did to Mr. Gold. Or rather, what their fairy tale counterparts ( I'm assuming fairies, but they're probably not with the exception of Astrid/Nova) did to Rumpelstilskin. Perhaps something to do with Belle? OK, I might be reaching here. ^^'

[chloris.livejournal.com]

I think assuming the nuns were all fairies is exactly right. We saw Nova and the Blue Fairy as nuns, so I'd say they all are! And I also want to know why exactly he hates fairies so much. I doubt it was anything to do with Belle though. It seems to be a longer running animosity to me.

[celestialdescent]

I missed the Blue Fairy as a nun! Guess I'll have to watch more closely next time.

Hmm, you're probably right about a deeper animosity. maddarilke did mention that he killed Cinderella's fairy godmother. Something magic related, then?

[chloris.livejournal.com]

She was the head nun who was berating Astrid for spending all their money. (It did take me a moment to realize since she looked so different without the cleavage. *g*)

I wonder if that is something we will have to wait until next year to find out about. Maybe it's that they are competition? Nah. Probably not that simple. Whatever it is, they definitely pissed him off majorly.

[missbreese.livejournal.com]

want to know what the nuns did to Mr. Gold - I'm curious about this too, but I almost don't care just in the face of the line, "You don't like nuns? Who doesn't like nuns?!" It will forever crack me up!

Perhaps something to do with Belle? - Honestly, a part of me thinks this is a good possibility. I'd think the Fairies and Rumple would clash a lot (since one has a lot of power and uses it to help people and the other has a lot of power and uses it... not to help people :)) but what we've seen most of the Fairies is them playing in the personal lives of others, and when it comes to that, Rumple has his son (who is gone) and Belle. It just seems that Rumple clashes with a lot of people (actually, pretty much everyone) and he hasn't gone out of his way to kill or evict them. But, I think, someone hitting closer to home might make him hold a grudge. ::shrugs:: It strikes me that Belle could be a weighing factor.

[celestialdescent]

"You don't like nuns? Who doesn't like nuns?!" It will forever crack me up!"
Me too! Although, as a former Catholic schoolgirl, I can name a good amount of people who don't like nuns. =D

It strikes me that Belle could be a weighing factor
Her or, as you mentioned before, his son. I didn't think of him before you brought him up, but we never really find out what happens to the boy (Unless it was mentioned somewhere, in which case I really need to keep up with fandom). Argh, now I need to dwell on this some more.

[maddarilke.livejournal.com]

Yes.

What have the fairies ever done to Gold/Rumple? He did kill Cinderella's in cold blood, so there's that. And what did he need with her wand, when he has all the power he needs?

Also, did anyone else hear Belle's musical cue in her scene? I swear, I really did cry a little, then. She truly loves R. :) She hopes he will come for her.

[siduri1959]

Fairies and their counterparts are not always sweetness in light in traditional fairy lore so I agree about this angle...

There is something I wonder about and your comment enables me to ask this question-is Sidney being honest with Regina about his motives? It appears he is working with her. Is he really? Regina/EQ rather screwed him over big time and while the residents of the town don't remember specifics, their natures, their underlying stories seem to bubble to the surface.

I wondered if he was really Regina's creature...

[siduri1959]

I would really like to know of EQ's back story because it seems to me that at one time she was not mired in this pit of blackness that she is now in. Whatever happened was enough to bring her to a very dark place indeed. There seems to be some glimmers of decency in her-she does seem to truly love Henry. (And as an aside-I shudder to think of what would happen if Henry grew up and abandoned Regina. Which he would do, as children do leave the nest normally.) At some point, we will find out more about what really percipitated all this.

So, is Sidney really working for Regina or is he on the side of Emma? Regina was not terribly nice to Sidney so the back story of EQ/Genie is repeating itself to a certain extent. I think it is entirely possible that his appearance of working for her might be a red herring for both the audience and Regina. The Genie fell in love and paid the price for it. (This is the underly theme in this show always-The Art of the Deal!) Lesson learned to a certain extent, and that also may be repeating itself in Storybrooke now. Sidney may be doing what is right for HIM at this stage, not necessarily for anyone else's good. I may be wrong because we do need to see MORE of this story play out. I just think that we should ASSUME nothing at this point.

Regina is pretty astute and I think she does keep any insubordination in check. If she has any failing it may be that she assumes that her Curse is going to hold. Clearly it did not with Graham. And the Curse does not take into account prophecy which clearly fortold Emma's coming to Storybrooke. If anything, that will be her downfall-her assumption about her Curse being solid and breakable.

I am still mulling all this over in my mind...

[siduri1959]

Honestly, I cannot even hazard a guess! Usually, a curse is done by a witch making a poppet and doing something to it or putting it in the victims house. In this case, EQ "got" the curse from Rumpel (traded it and got it back) and then had to get the Assembly together, gather hair from them and kill the horse for its heart-and that was not enough so she had to take her father's heart. Because of something that Snow White did-that caused someone or something she loved to die. I think this is it in a nutshell-so clearly, this Curse has to something to do with love. Perhaps, to break the curse someone (Emma) has to make some supreme/selfless sacrifice for love?

We need to find out more about just what Snow White did, I think...

[ladywhizbee.livejournal.com]

My current theory is that Sidney didn't know that the phone records had been tampered with (even though he should have guessed this), so when he brought the records to Emma he believed them to be true--thus confusing her judgment of David.

I know. It's weak, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me.

[d-garmo71.livejournal.com]

Who are carrot man and his wife? That's all I got right now.

[ladywhizbee.livejournal.com]

The White Rabbit and the Queen of Hearts???

[d-garmo71.livejournal.com]

That's a good guess. Someone also suggested Jack Sprat and his wife (which I had to google). Maybe I'm looking for something that isn't there, but they were the only ones that were shown and the carrot was just 0_o. lol

Edit: Shown properly that is. And not just from the back while the door slammed shut.

[ladywhizbee.livejournal.com]

I agree with you. I definitely think that they were shown for a reason and will show up in a future episode in some fashion. That's why I think they might be the White Rabbit and the Queen of Hearts--but they could just as easily be the Mr. and Mrs. Jack Sprat. who knows, but it will be fun to find out.

[thetaet.livejournal.com]

That was my theory too. :)

[zippytheavenger.livejournal.com]

I hated this episode. Hated it. It's a good thing televisions are expensive, otherwise I would have eagerly punched a hole through mine. That is how much I despised this episode. It was just so smarmy and lazily written, even by this show's standards.

THOUGHTS

-Can I go off a minute on how much I hate the costumes for the faeries? They look like somebody just dumped a bunch of buttons and flowery doodads on a dessert plate and then stuck a person right through the middle of it. Those damn tutus look like pancakes. Ick ick ick.
-This episode needs a drinking game: Drink every time someone says the word 'dream'.
-So...dwarves emerge fully-grown and sapient and English-speaking and bearded...from giant eggs? What. What kind of monster lays those eggs, anyway? Are dwarves reptiles? Or some kind of egg-laying mammal like platypi? What the hell is this?
-His name was Dreamy. Fucking Dreamy. NO.
-"She's the only person who ever believed in me." YOU JUST MET HER THIS MORNING. SHE WAS PROBABLY JUST MAKING CONVERSATION YOU LUNATIC.
-"She could be a great faerie. It's your choice." Except no it isn't, you stupid flying blue pancake. It is her fucking choice because it is her fucking life asgklgjkl!
-Why did The Dwarf Formerly Known As Dreamy have to clamber up onto the conveyor belt to rescue the bag of dust when faeries have fucking wings goddamnit. Bitch you can fly! Go get it yourself!
-Gold has a long and complicated history with nuns? What is that about? I'm picturing something like The Sound of Music with Robert Carlyle instead of Julie Andrews...and it's magnificent.
-Speaking of nuns, these nuns don't seem all that...nunnish. I mean, you never see a crucifix on any of them or on the walls in the school or anything and they never mention Jesus or whatever. Are they a rogue band of non-denominational humanist nuns?
-The dwarves' names. ARRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU DISNEY. But Disney does own ABC, so I guess this is only to be expected. GRAH.
-How is Gold out of jail? Didn't he kidnap and beat seven shades of shit out of a guy like two episodes ago?
-Belle what are you doing. "Love is the most wonderful thing ever, blah blah blah" except for the part where the whole damn thing with Skinny blew up in your face and you're both miserable. Why can't you do anything useful instead of randomly showing up to spout off some trite, ridiculous, Hallmark-card horse hooey?
-Just about every line of dialogue in this episode was contrived and gooey and ick.
-So, our problem is solved by sabotaging the power source for the entire town to that everyone is forced to buy your candles? Seems legit.
-All this persecuting and slut-shaming of Mary Margaret really is amusing in a precious kind of way. Don't these people have televisions or books or something? Do they really have nothing better to do with their time and energy than make judgey-faces at some random woman? I have lived in small towns, and even then most people wouldn't give two flying shits about something like this unless it was someone they knew directly. Also, whoever keeps writing graffiti on Mary Margaret's car? It's spelled W-H-O-R-E. Good lord, can these people really come up with nothing better than 'tramp' or 'harlot'? How freaking tame. If someone really is pissed enough at MM to vandalize her stuff, surely they would at least call her 'slut' or 'skankhole' or 'cum dumpster' or something. Are these people out of faerie tales or Seventh Heaven?
-I hate this episode.

[grlnamedlucifer.livejournal.com]

I have to say "I'm picturing something like The Sound of Music with Robert Carlyle instead of Julie Andrews...and it's magnificent." is just... a glorious image, so thank you for that.

The eggs thing is just... that's not how biology works. Even if I could buy that human looking creatures came out of eggs, you'd still need a female to lay that egg. And there's no purpose in even creating this mythology unless they were going for "dwarfs don't fall in love because they're all guys" which I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt on.

And I wasn't sure, does someone (Regina) keep writing tramp? Or is it left over from the day before? Because in that case, what, did David just give up washing it off when MM dumped him?

[zippytheavenger.livejournal.com]

In Mirror Mirror by Gegory MacGuire the dwarves are these elemental, golem-like critters that emerge straight of of the earth. I like that idea and it seems like OUAT was going for something similar, only they were terrible at it. The "dwarves don't fall in love" bit would work if it was established that they reproduced asexually but something had to lay those eggs. OUAT fails biology forever.

[grlnamedlucifer.livejournal.com]

See that, that I could totally get behind. And they could still do the fairy dust falling on him, it would just need to fall on the bit of ground he came out of. But yeah, they went instead with something that has a foundation in fact not magic and kinda shot themselves in the foot.

[rpowell.livejournal.com]

How is Gold out of jail? Didn't he kidnap and beat seven shades of shit out of a guy like two episodes ago?


Apparently, he has served his time.


Also, whoever keeps writing graffiti on Mary Margaret's car? It's spelled W-H-O-R-E. Good lord, can these people really come up with nothing better than 'tramp' or 'harlot'? How freaking tame. If someone really is pissed enough at MM to vandalize her stuff, surely they would at least call her 'slut' or 'skankhole' or 'cum dumpster' or something.


You're actually complaining about this?

[zippytheavenger.livejournal.com]

Apparently, he has served his time.

I'm pretty sure assault and battery gets you more than an overnight.

You're actually complaining about this?

Yes. It's hard for me to buy Mary Margaret getting that upset over what wouldn't pass as stiff language from a six year old.

[akilika.livejournal.com]

Maybe his court date hasn't come up yet? I figure it's pretty likely he could spring for bail until his next court appearance. And in Storybrooke, well... is there such thing as a flight risk? :)

[skygirl5.livejournal.com]

This is the best episode review ever. It totally made me LOL. Despite the egg hatching thing (WTF!) I actually kind of enjoyed this episode simply because I have an inexplicable love for Stealthy the dwarf that never was.
This being said, your review was spot on, and I'd love to see an ABC show tag a car with "Cum Dumpster" LOL!!!

[zippytheavenger.livejournal.com]

*sigh* Oh, Stealthy. He needs his own spinoff.

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

So, our problem is solved by sabotaging the power source for the entire town to that everyone is forced to buy your candles? Seems legit

This bothers me. It's supposed to be romantic, right? Just. No. *headdeskwallfloor*

And I'm not exactly clear on how the power supply works, but wouldn't that affect, say, the hospitals? So people who might be on life support or in the middle of surgery or something, their lives could be jeopardized? Or even just small everyday things like food in people's fridges going off/melting/etc. *shakes head*

(In any case, wouldn't people already have candles or how about torches? Or couldn't they buy them from a store instead of 'that tramp MM'?)

[middlegirl.livejournal.com]

Did the backdrop for Firefly Hill look like the scenery before the new Disney production logo to anyone else? My sister and I even think we saw the bridge the train goes over:

For reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzYfRLMtP9c

[rpowell.livejournal.com]

Exactly! We're supposed to believe this is a small town with the need of only one sheriff, yet the town is big enough that many of these people don't know each other. And good point also about MM.


Are we really supposed to believe that everyone living in a town are supposed to know each other . . . even if one of the residents is a nun?

[akilika.livejournal.com]

I actually liked the episode. Willing to hand-wave the eggs as "a wizard did it/for the lulz", and about the power... Leroy didn't ever really strike me as lawful good, and it was a pretty efficient way to go about things. ;) If you only care about Astrid, and no one else, then...

The creation of a slave-race to mine gemstones to make fairy dust sits poorly with me, but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to. :) But then, we know that the dwarves escape eventually, so that's good. (Even if it requires Grumpy getting sold out by Bossy and put into a different dungeon first...)


In any case, it seems that there's a lot of sociological layers to FTL... as though there's a lot of infrastructure required to make happy endings possible for humans, and that no one else really matters. I kind of wonder how the monsters factor into it; are they similarly grown with single purpose, maybe to ensure that artifacts don't fly off too quickly? Is the entire world focused around men? (Animals seem an exception--at least, Huntsman and his family of wolves seem reasonably independent, pre-Snow.)

I wonder if we have shoemaker-elves, in this universe. (Oh, it would be a pity that this is Disney then--the Warner Bros' cartoon "Yankee Dood It" is my favorite take on that story...! But I guess that wouldn't fit well in FTL.)


*cough* Anyway.