Hiatus High Jinx I’ll Go Down with the Ship Last One for this year

[puppetmaker40.livejournal.com]

Let’s go for the mother and daughter relationship with more twists than a bag of pretzels.

1. Do you think Cora was really doing all of it for Regina?

2. Do you think Regina knew what was going to happen if she pushed her mom through the Mirror?

3. How do you think Rumple affected both of these women? (I found one fic that was a really weird three-way with Rumple, a younger version of Cora, and Regina).

4. Do you think that once Cora had her heart back, she and Regina could have had a normal relationship? Or too much water under the bridge?

5. Anything else you care to add to the discussion?

Comments

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

1. Do you think Cora was really doing all of it for Regina?

I think she saw Regina as an extension of herself. It certainly wasn't about caring about Regina. Even though some people have been able to still care/love without a heart, I don't think Cora could. I think it was ultimately about power. Regina getting power meant she was getting power.

2. Do you think Regina knew what was going to happen if she pushed her mom through the Mirror?

No, I don't think so. It has been a while since I've watched season 1, though. Maybe it's time for a rewatch.

3. How do you think Rumple affected both of these women? (I found one fic that was a really weird three-way with Rumple, a younger version of Cora, and Regina).

Rumple is really the catalyst. Frankly, as we've learned more about how self centered he was and how he caused so many things, I've sympathized with him less and less and considered redemption possible for him less and less. Because he, unlike others, is still the same person. He is on the side of good right now because they are his family and the people he cares about. Family has always been his motivation, both for good and ill.

4. Do you think that once Cora had her heart back, she and Regina could have had a normal relationship? Or too much water under the bridge?

No, I don't think so. In that moment, Regina wanted it because Cora was her mother. But Cora abused her so badly, I can't see Regina ultimately being able to get past that. She would always both love and hate her mother, and the past wasn't going away.

[ctrent29.livejournal.com]

1. Do you think Cora was really doing all of it for Regina?

Normally, I would say no. After all, she used Regina as stand-in for her own ambitions. But . . . I also remembered that she left behind a spell for Regina to use to regain custody of Henry. So . . . I would say that this answer is a mixed bag.


2. Do you think Regina knew what was going to happen if she pushed her mom through the Mirror?

I doubt it very much.


3. How do you think Rumple affected both of these women? (I found one fic that was a really weird three-way with Rumple, a younger version of Cora, and Regina).

Cora's ambition was always there . . . even before she met Rumpel. However, he had some impact - teaching her magic and influencing her fate in Wonderland through Regina, and her death through Snow White. But, I would say that he had a stronger impact upon Regina, whom he had targeted as the one who would cast his curse.


4. Do you think that once Cora had her heart back, she and Regina could have had a normal relationship? Or too much water under the bridge?

I think it's possible. Mother and daughter had passed the point of "water under the bridge" when they reunited in mid-Season 2. Regina already had her confrontation about Cora's past actions before the events of "The Miller's Daughter". That's why she wanted revenge against Snow White for Cora's death.


5. Anything else you care to add to the discussion?

No.

[paulliver.livejournal.com]

Cora was like a lot of unbalanced parents who impose their dreams upon their children, not unlike many football parents or gymnastics parents, etc. These are the sorts of people who say its for the kids but if anything goes against them attacks a referee.

Rumple affected them the way he affects everyone; he finds a way to give them what they want in a way that he gets what he wants. It doesn't matter if what he is giving them is good or bad for them or anyone else. The only possible exception is his relationship with Belle, and even then the dagger switch trick will, I suspect, bite him on his ass as far as her love for him. Rumple's redeeming aspect in that relationship is that he knows he's not good enough for her.

Cora wasn't a particularly good person before she lost her heart, so I don't think getting it back would do much good. But the show is a little vague on the issue of how displaced hearts changes people's personalities.

[paulliver.livejournal.com]

Cora was like a lot of unbalanced parents who impose their dreams upon their children, not unlike many football parents or gymnastics parents, etc. These are the sorts of people who say its for the kids but if anything goes against them attacks a referee.

Rumple affected them the way he affects everyone; he finds a way to give them what they want in a way that he gets what he wants. It doesn't matter if what he is giving them is good or bad for them or anyone else. The only possible exception is his relationship with Belle, and even then the dagger switch trick will, I suspect, bite him on his ass as far as her love for him. Rumple's redeeming aspect in that relationship is that he knows he's not good enough for her.

Cora wasn't a particularly good person before she lost her heart, so I don't think getting it back would do much good. But the show is a little vague on the issue of how displaced hearts changes people's personalities.