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Questions and Discussion points for An Apple Red As Blood
It's time for my questions and discussion points for this week's episode. Only one more left.
1. This episode did answer some questions but it did it in a way that creates more questions. Now we know Snow didn't have any idea about Daniel until she ate the apple, so why did Snow think Regina hated her and was willing to have her killed? And killed Leopold? Most of the Snow and Charming fairybacks we've seen are pre-apple and Snow was very aware that she ruined Regina's life then.
2. And another answer which creates a question: When did Regina realize for certain Emma is "The Savior"? At the end of episode 2 when she discussed it with Mr. Gold? Because all season it has been played as Regina hating Emma for interfering with Henry not Regina fearing that Emma will break the curse and here we find out she has known for a long time.
3. This brings up the second part we learned about the curse breaking; that Emma's death will shatter the curse. Hmmm. Gold obviously knew that (and very obviously wrote that clause into the curse) which brings up the question of why he hasn't killed her? I have two possible answers. First, perhaps he doesn't want to kill her and is willing to wait a bit for her to believe instead, and, second, killing her would create an outcome he doesn't want (like everyone going back to FTL) so he has to wait. Oooh, I just thought of a third: killing Emma only breaks the curse if Regina does it since Regina cast the curse.
4. Okay, where the hell did Jefferson come from? I can see why he wouldn't volunteer to Regina that he had another hat which works (if it did) but we better get an explanation next week. Especially since I don't see where he had time to disappear in the normal way after falling two stories onto hard ground before Emma and Mary Margaret looked out of the window.
5. We now have confirmation that Jefferson's hat can travel through time as well as space. Why couldn't Rumpelstiltskin have used a dimension jumper then? It looks to me as though (with proper aim) it could have brought Rumpel right to Bae. Or did the Blue Fairy have a reason she wanted the curse to be used?
6. Gold is studying his globe and planning a trip. Where to? We know he doesn't know where Bae is (or even how old he is) or he couldn't have been fooled by August, and also the world is a BIG place. It's not as though he needs to visit a few villages or a small area. He would need a direction and I'm wondering where he is going to get one.
7. The apple is more than Regina's favorite fruit and method of destruction, it is also tied into the health of the curse. The curse seems to be sustaining the apple tree since weakening the curse weakens her tree. Does it also work in the other direction? Would cutting down the apple tree end the curse? Also, anyone having a weird craving for apple turnovers? We did see one 'kill' Henry but it looked so tasty! Nom.
8. When Regina wanted to make a new deal with Gold and he told her she had nothing he wanted I'm sure a large portion of the viewing audience said 'Belle' to the screen. Why didn't Regina pull out the Belle card then? Not desperate enough maybe? I can see it blowing up in her face quite easily and I'm sure she can too.
9. If Regina can rewrite people as she promised she would do for Jefferson, how often do you think she rewrote things in the 28 years of the curse? I'm thinking often because otherwise Storybrooke is simply too damn boring and also Evil Queens do need to have hobbies. Maybe that is why Henry was in therapy. It wasn't that nothing ever changed. It's that things did and no one remembered they were ever different. :)
10. Will Emma's kiss wake up Henry next week? True love doesn't only have to mean romantic love. It can be familial love as well. (Or as Emma was created from true love and likely written into the curse through the true love potion, perhaps her kisses always have the power of true love.) Assuming the kiss is used and works, does Emma have to believe the concept first or will the kiss work anyway and thereby trigger her belief?
11. Is Emma now at the point of still truly not believing or is she at the point of not wanting to believe? The way she talked this week gave me the impression she doesn't have the same certainty that she had before. I'm sure Henry is counting on that.
Well, that is all I have for this week! If anyone is interested in more of my thoughts on the episode, I wrote a review here.
1. This episode did answer some questions but it did it in a way that creates more questions. Now we know Snow didn't have any idea about Daniel until she ate the apple, so why did Snow think Regina hated her and was willing to have her killed? And killed Leopold? Most of the Snow and Charming fairybacks we've seen are pre-apple and Snow was very aware that she ruined Regina's life then.
2. And another answer which creates a question: When did Regina realize for certain Emma is "The Savior"? At the end of episode 2 when she discussed it with Mr. Gold? Because all season it has been played as Regina hating Emma for interfering with Henry not Regina fearing that Emma will break the curse and here we find out she has known for a long time.
3. This brings up the second part we learned about the curse breaking; that Emma's death will shatter the curse. Hmmm. Gold obviously knew that (and very obviously wrote that clause into the curse) which brings up the question of why he hasn't killed her? I have two possible answers. First, perhaps he doesn't want to kill her and is willing to wait a bit for her to believe instead, and, second, killing her would create an outcome he doesn't want (like everyone going back to FTL) so he has to wait. Oooh, I just thought of a third: killing Emma only breaks the curse if Regina does it since Regina cast the curse.
4. Okay, where the hell did Jefferson come from? I can see why he wouldn't volunteer to Regina that he had another hat which works (if it did) but we better get an explanation next week. Especially since I don't see where he had time to disappear in the normal way after falling two stories onto hard ground before Emma and Mary Margaret looked out of the window.
5. We now have confirmation that Jefferson's hat can travel through time as well as space. Why couldn't Rumpelstiltskin have used a dimension jumper then? It looks to me as though (with proper aim) it could have brought Rumpel right to Bae. Or did the Blue Fairy have a reason she wanted the curse to be used?
6. Gold is studying his globe and planning a trip. Where to? We know he doesn't know where Bae is (or even how old he is) or he couldn't have been fooled by August, and also the world is a BIG place. It's not as though he needs to visit a few villages or a small area. He would need a direction and I'm wondering where he is going to get one.
7. The apple is more than Regina's favorite fruit and method of destruction, it is also tied into the health of the curse. The curse seems to be sustaining the apple tree since weakening the curse weakens her tree. Does it also work in the other direction? Would cutting down the apple tree end the curse? Also, anyone having a weird craving for apple turnovers? We did see one 'kill' Henry but it looked so tasty! Nom.
8. When Regina wanted to make a new deal with Gold and he told her she had nothing he wanted I'm sure a large portion of the viewing audience said 'Belle' to the screen. Why didn't Regina pull out the Belle card then? Not desperate enough maybe? I can see it blowing up in her face quite easily and I'm sure she can too.
9. If Regina can rewrite people as she promised she would do for Jefferson, how often do you think she rewrote things in the 28 years of the curse? I'm thinking often because otherwise Storybrooke is simply too damn boring and also Evil Queens do need to have hobbies. Maybe that is why Henry was in therapy. It wasn't that nothing ever changed. It's that things did and no one remembered they were ever different. :)
10. Will Emma's kiss wake up Henry next week? True love doesn't only have to mean romantic love. It can be familial love as well. (Or as Emma was created from true love and likely written into the curse through the true love potion, perhaps her kisses always have the power of true love.) Assuming the kiss is used and works, does Emma have to believe the concept first or will the kiss work anyway and thereby trigger her belief?
11. Is Emma now at the point of still truly not believing or is she at the point of not wanting to believe? The way she talked this week gave me the impression she doesn't have the same certainty that she had before. I'm sure Henry is counting on that.
Well, that is all I have for this week! If anyone is interested in more of my thoughts on the episode, I wrote a review here.
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It was the Curse To End All Curses, to take them to a land without magic. If the Blue Fairy couldn’t figure it out, just from that alone, the girl needs to find a new profession.
And she would have known there was no way the Queen could create a curse that powerful (not being as young as she is and relatively new to magic. Regina’s extremely powerful, but she lacks experience) and Blue was close enough to Rumple’s life (enough so that she could pick up the pieces of the people he left behind) that she would have known he was, throughout the centuries, working on it.
But I think that, simply by knowing him and by the title of the curse (as Rumple’s the one obsessed with going to a land without magic) she would have known.
the Blue Fairy is not omniscient - Honestly, to me, that remains to be seen. We know there are things she won’t do, but we haven’t seen her break a sweat to do very, very hardcore things. She has the power, the experience, the intelligence and, to date, we’ve seen no repercussions from the magic she uses.
Really, I just look at everything Rumple can do, magnify it, and see a scary powerful girl.
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But Blue didn't know that (from what we saw).
Here's the exact text of what the Queen said - and I don't see a way to determine the nature of the curse (or even that there'd be a curse) from it: But you shall have it! My gift to you is this happy, happy day. But tomorrow, my real work begins. You’ve made your vows, now I make mine. Soon, everything you love, everything all of you love, will be taken from you. Forever. And out of your suffering, will rise my victory. I shall destroy your happiness, if it is the last thing I do.
All she said - is "I'm gonna take away what you love and make you suffer" - I personally do not think that is anywhere near specific enough to know it's about sending them to a world without magic, trapping them in time, or has a thing to do with Rumpelstiltskin. It's actually pretty vague and could be bandied about by a number of villains.
They only learned about the other stuff *after* speaking to Rumpelstiltskin, at which point they discovered the specifics, including the only cure.
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The Blue Fairy wouldn’t have known what the Queen meant at the wedding, that was a vague threat. But it didn’t take long for specifics to come out and from there Blue surely must have known.
I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I just can’t imagine how Blue wouldn’t know what was going on and who was truly behind it.
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By then, the curse was unstoppable. Or so they kept saying (Blue and Rumpel). And they didn't need the Blue Fairy to figure out how to break it, since Rumpelstiltskin already told them about Emma.
I still thinking killing the Queen before she could enact would have been the best idea. If only Charming had thrown that sword a few seconds earlier...