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Questions/Discussion Points for The Crocodile
I'm running a bit late this week but I've finally put up my long review of the episode and I have my questions and discussion points.
1. So Baelfire's magic bean was not in fact the LAST magic bean. (The Blue Fairy is unclear in The Return. She tells Baelfire the bean is the very last one that is known to their kind and the others got away from them. And tells Rumpelstiltskin there are no more magic beans. And then says she never lies. Hmmm.) Since there are more beans and Blue knows it even if not where they are, why not send the Dark One in search of them instead of in search of a curse? Also, this bean goes to Neverland so there is speculation that the previous one did too. Do you think Bae went to Neverland or do the beans go to a destination based on your desires?
2. Why was Hook dropped into what's left of FTL while Smee (and possibly other members of the crew) ended up in Storybrooke? I hope they clear that up soon because I believe there is some sort of underlying logic but I can't see it yet.
3. Was Hook all that you hoped for the character or did he fall flat? This was only his origin story so I hope for more evidence of VILLAINY rather than more prosaic thuggery in future episodes. Of course, I've had the thought of wishing that Milah had become Captain Hook (kill the boyfriend and cut off her hand) so now I'm a bit sad for what might have been. No one can fight like exes. :)
4. Oh, and WHAT is the spelling of Milah's name? Milah? Milha? Milla? Some other variation? I've seen so many ways to spell it and I don't know which one is right! It's driving me nuts. I thought it was Milah so I've been spelling it that way but now I'm not sure.
5. Ruby has her scent tracking ability back. Does that mean she has her 'turn into a wolf' ability back? The cloak is probably in town somewhere and I think finding it might just be in everyone's best interest.
6. Maurice is now in heavy contention for the Worst Parent Ever award (though with Cora, Henry Sr., Milah, Rumpel, Jiminy's parents and others I don't think he'll win first place) with his little stunt of deciding to erase Belle's memories. Was this really such desperate situation that talking to her for more than 30 seconds was impossible? Or with his own memories back is he so used to ordering people about that he fell into bad habits? I hope we see him apologize and mend his relationship with her.
7. Beyond wiping her memories, how did he intend to get her back? To him was dead better than in love with Rumpelstiltskin? She was manacled to a mine cart and would end up over the town line (since that's the point). No one in town could go get her without losing their own memories and there was no guarantee she would be able to get the cuff off even if she hadn't lost the key. Or that she would go back to town rather than wander into the woods. I don't think this was thought through well. And now I understand how Rumpel could believe Regina's tale in Skin Deep. It's not so far fetched anymore.
8. Belle now has a great, big target on her back. Do you think she'll last the season? Killing her does seem the perfect revenge for Hook. I hope she gets a chance to help save herself and isn't the damsel again though.
9. What did you think of Belle&Red developing a friendship? And her new job in the library? It seems the writers are planning on integrating her into the cast and giving her more story than being Rumpelstiltskin's girlfriend. Considering that this is her second post-curse appearance I think they moved her story along fairly quickly.
10. This is the first Rumpelstiltskin backstory episode not written by Jane Espenson. Instead it was written by David H. Goodman (Hat Trick, The Price of Gold and What Happened To Frederick?). Were you happy to see someone else's spin on the character or did you miss the continuity of having the same writer?
11. I'm odd and one of my favorite parts of the episode was getting a look at the interior of Gold's house. I can't be the only one who wants his kitchen can I? Also, what was going on in the Belle/Gold relationship that she felt the need to climb out the window rather than walk out the door?
12. Did you miss Emma, Snow, and Regina in the episode? Was it better to focus on part of the cast rather then split up the story more by including everyone?
13. Lastly, what is the chance that Cora and Hook will make to Storybrooke first and be disguised as Snow and Emma? That would the perfect way to cause maximum mischief and pain before anyone even knows what is going on.
1. So Baelfire's magic bean was not in fact the LAST magic bean. (The Blue Fairy is unclear in The Return. She tells Baelfire the bean is the very last one that is known to their kind and the others got away from them. And tells Rumpelstiltskin there are no more magic beans. And then says she never lies. Hmmm.) Since there are more beans and Blue knows it even if not where they are, why not send the Dark One in search of them instead of in search of a curse? Also, this bean goes to Neverland so there is speculation that the previous one did too. Do you think Bae went to Neverland or do the beans go to a destination based on your desires?
2. Why was Hook dropped into what's left of FTL while Smee (and possibly other members of the crew) ended up in Storybrooke? I hope they clear that up soon because I believe there is some sort of underlying logic but I can't see it yet.
3. Was Hook all that you hoped for the character or did he fall flat? This was only his origin story so I hope for more evidence of VILLAINY rather than more prosaic thuggery in future episodes. Of course, I've had the thought of wishing that Milah had become Captain Hook (kill the boyfriend and cut off her hand) so now I'm a bit sad for what might have been. No one can fight like exes. :)
4. Oh, and WHAT is the spelling of Milah's name? Milah? Milha? Milla? Some other variation? I've seen so many ways to spell it and I don't know which one is right! It's driving me nuts. I thought it was Milah so I've been spelling it that way but now I'm not sure.
5. Ruby has her scent tracking ability back. Does that mean she has her 'turn into a wolf' ability back? The cloak is probably in town somewhere and I think finding it might just be in everyone's best interest.
6. Maurice is now in heavy contention for the Worst Parent Ever award (though with Cora, Henry Sr., Milah, Rumpel, Jiminy's parents and others I don't think he'll win first place) with his little stunt of deciding to erase Belle's memories. Was this really such desperate situation that talking to her for more than 30 seconds was impossible? Or with his own memories back is he so used to ordering people about that he fell into bad habits? I hope we see him apologize and mend his relationship with her.
7. Beyond wiping her memories, how did he intend to get her back? To him was dead better than in love with Rumpelstiltskin? She was manacled to a mine cart and would end up over the town line (since that's the point). No one in town could go get her without losing their own memories and there was no guarantee she would be able to get the cuff off even if she hadn't lost the key. Or that she would go back to town rather than wander into the woods. I don't think this was thought through well. And now I understand how Rumpel could believe Regina's tale in Skin Deep. It's not so far fetched anymore.
8. Belle now has a great, big target on her back. Do you think she'll last the season? Killing her does seem the perfect revenge for Hook. I hope she gets a chance to help save herself and isn't the damsel again though.
9. What did you think of Belle&Red developing a friendship? And her new job in the library? It seems the writers are planning on integrating her into the cast and giving her more story than being Rumpelstiltskin's girlfriend. Considering that this is her second post-curse appearance I think they moved her story along fairly quickly.
10. This is the first Rumpelstiltskin backstory episode not written by Jane Espenson. Instead it was written by David H. Goodman (Hat Trick, The Price of Gold and What Happened To Frederick?). Were you happy to see someone else's spin on the character or did you miss the continuity of having the same writer?
11. I'm odd and one of my favorite parts of the episode was getting a look at the interior of Gold's house. I can't be the only one who wants his kitchen can I? Also, what was going on in the Belle/Gold relationship that she felt the need to climb out the window rather than walk out the door?
12. Did you miss Emma, Snow, and Regina in the episode? Was it better to focus on part of the cast rather then split up the story more by including everyone?
13. Lastly, what is the chance that Cora and Hook will make to Storybrooke first and be disguised as Snow and Emma? That would the perfect way to cause maximum mischief and pain before anyone even knows what is going on.
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3) I thought Hook was cute but as I got into the episode, I really wanted to know more about Milah and her backstory. I hope we can still somehow get more info on Milah's backstory and why she did the things she did.
5) Apparently, there's an episode coming up that deals with this issue, so there's a good chance that Wolf!Red is making a comeback.
6) I think Maurice is just used to using Belle this way. Her reaction strikes me of years of seeing him do things he thinks are in her best interest and she finally just snaps after this latest (and really horrid) event mixed in with Rumpel pulling the same thing. I do wish though they played out Belle accepting him back into her life for a little longer though.
7) I think he just made a last minute scheme doing what he thought was best failing to grasp that Belle would be very screwed for all the above reasons you give. Does not excuse what he did but it does make him very human.
8) I'm very torn. On the one hand the creators are former LOST writers so death for Belle could easily be in the cards. On the other, Belle is a big appeal for certain fans and it's hard to gauge if fans will leave if she dies and how many will leave if that happens. The writers might not want to kill her off too early because of that.
9) I actually really liked seeing Belle's story move so fast. There's only so much you can do with the BadGuy/GoodWoman reunited after a long time apart storyline. Especially when Belle has no other close contacts beyond her dad. I look forward to the Red/Belle friendship developing and how Belle starts fitting into Storybrooke.
10) I did not know that actually so there was no worry about how Rumpel would be handled. Overall, I did like the story. Would have loved more Milah but I loved the peeks into her life/relationship with Rumpel, so I was very pleased.
11) Do not talk to me about how much I want his kitchen. Or his bedroom. On the other hand, it says alot about how Belle views Rumpel if she thinks leaving through the window is the best plan rather than talking out about leaving or just leaving through the front door without alerting him.
12) I really prefer this method of storytelling by the writers to be honest. The plot is moving at a great pace and we also get insight into characters that were relegated to the background last season unless they had their "Lower Deck Episode". I know some people want The Charmings, Emma, and/or Regina all the time/every time but I want to get to know every character in the show beyond that one spotlight episode. Huge casts with interesting backstories are my catnip and I feel that last season, while good, did suffer from the writers trying to cram to much into the episodes that made them fall a little flat.
Long story short: I want them to keep this format for a long time.
13) Hook & Cora might get there with Snow & Emma (plus Aurora & Mulan) and that would mean even more fireworks then. I want to see all the chaos they do.